Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CoCo (band)

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The result was nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 13:30, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CoCo (band)[edit]

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unsourced article written in promotional tone. trying to find sources leads to another band named coco. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 02:57, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Japan. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 02:57, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Japanese article has some offline sources which from the titles could possibly be sigcov. Jumpytoo Talk 03:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Japanese Wikipedia shows that their first 10 singles ranked within the top 10 on Oricon, and their following singles ranked within the top 40. Here's the link to their Oricon profile, but you might have to pay to access archives of their old rankings since the band was active in the early 1990s. lullabying (talk) 03:24, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@lullabying: oricon is a database, not useful for establishing notability. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oricon isn't just a database. It also releases numbers for sales on CDs and books; it's also the national music chart in Japan. lullabying (talk) 04:32, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Keep and improve. Three top-10 albums and ten top-10 singles, but before the internet era. Oricon is the main national chart in Japan, so contrary to the comment on Oricon's status as a database, the rankings do help show that this group passes WP:BAND. A significant number of sources should be available on paper in Japanese. Dekimasuよ! 04:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dekimasu: that's a WP:SOURCESEXIST argument. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 08:02, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your point to some extent! I said that additional sources exist without contributing them. I am sure there are other editors who know more about the music of this period than I do. However, notability is already established on the basis of the Oricon cite, which shows that the group passes WP:BAND #2 and #5. The Japanese Wiki notes a special on public television in Japan, which passes #12. And then separately, I am saying that I am sure this will also pass #1 (multiple, non-trivial published sources), #4 (national tour), #11 (national rotation), etc. if someone is able to dig up the sources. That comment probably indicates my doubt that WP:BEFORE could have been done sufficiently here without the ability to read Japanese. We should try to avoid systemic bias in coverage, and most problems with narrowing down sources in English could probably be solved by adding "Japan" or the name of a group member. Dekimasuよ! 11:09, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First quick check shows that the national newspaper Mainichi Shimbun's December 20, 1989 edition (page 15, evening edition, 「ユーミンが５６億円で売り上げトップ　８９年レコードセールス大賞」) lists CoCo as top 3 in the yearly Nihon Record Sales Awards for the newcomer category, with 120,000 sales of their single "Equal Romance". Dekimasuよ! 11:34, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as there are many top chart singles. pre-web era is indeed a problem now for establishing CoCo's notability, but it definitely shouldn't be a reason for deletion. Assirian cat (talk) 10:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

right, no point dragging this out any longer. nomination withdrawn. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 13:30, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.