Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Club Universe

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Audrey Joseph. There is a consensus that the material is not worthy of an individual article, but it seems an obvious search term, and some material from this article would be usable in the other, were their not the risk of copyvio. Were it not for the copyvio, I'd simply redirect to Audrey Joseph, and leave the history intact. As it is, I'm going to initially delete the history behind the redirect as well, and see what can be fathomed out. Can those wanting to merge material come chat with me and we'll work out which aspects of the history are not copyvio? Fritzpoll (talk) 13:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Club Universe

Unsourced and promotional in tone (for its owners, who have moved on to other ventures), this defunct nightclub has only 1,300 ghits, and no independent coverage that would even allow it to approach passing the GNGs. I'm sure its patrons had fun there and miss it, but it did not achieve wide acclaim, fame or infamy that would establish notability or generate the type of secondary coverage that would allow for independent verification of its claims. Fans of this club are welcome to host a memorial site elsewhere, but wikipedia is not the place for it.Bali ultimate (talk) 19:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Quite possibly a copyright violation. I note the entire content has been lifted from [1]. Hard to tell which came first but either way there is no siginificant reliable coverage. JamesBurns (talk) 09:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; the place does appear occasionally in reliable sources but only ever as a passing mention, therefore not enough to establish notability. Gonzonoir (talk) 17:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge. This, disappointingly, is a rather cynical and somewhat bad faith take on the subject. I certainly am not familiar with all the gay discos worldwide but this was amongst the largest and longest running and the king of gay clubs for as long as it was open. The name of the venue is 177 Townsend (capacity 1200+) and the back of the block building was 174 King st (capacity 400-600). The two venues were run by Audrey Joseph, another article at AfD ~~via the nominator~~. In part this subject will be covered only so much by regular google hits because of wp:CSB and the timing of it's existence. Its reprisal events are somewhat covered but frankly they don't shoot for media coverage as much as buy fullpage ads in LGBT publications advertising which celebrity was going to perform that weekend. Club Universe was the main Saturday night club, Pleasuredome was the main Sunday night with Latino club Futurama in the 174 King space. The only reason the clubs don't exist anymore is because the lease was only for 15 years and the building was torn down as the property was worth much much more due to the neighborhood gentrification. While in business these were the leading clubs of the city and likely the largest gay clubs in the United States west of Texas/Chicago - which I believe also have mega clubs. If we had articles devoted to the venue this should be merged there; as we don't, as of yet, merge to Audrey Joseph article as she ran the venue and club. -- Banjeboi 18:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- cmt "Bad faith?" "Cynical?" Sure you don't want to strike that? I'll give you a little time to think it over. (And i didn't nominate Audrey Joseph, you got that wrong as well).Bali ultimate (talk) 19:01, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - My apologies, I've struck that nom also nommed the other article. Four hours after disparaging the creator of the Audrey Joseph article as a COI - with no evidence - and completely ignoring the dozens of reliable sources presented, claimed that article was somehow in violation of BLP. Which also has yet to be shown true in any way ... they nommed this article. Nom's statement includes - Fans of this club are welcome to host a memorial site elsewhere, but wikipedia is not the place for it. I see that as bad faith that the article was somehow written to memorialize a club. I choose to assume volunteers are here to improve articles but we each must decide what we choose to believe. Also please note sarcasm is generally unhelpful. -- Banjeboi 22:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ok well, then, i consider your argument to keep it in bad faith and cynical. So there. Nyah nyah nyah.Bali ultimate (talk) 22:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been added to the list of LGBT related deletions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. —Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 22:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails the GNG, they should get a blog if they want a memorial for this. --Cameron Scott (talk) 23:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with respects to WP:NTEMP, as a quick search found many articles about the club from 10 years back... Google News... showing continued coverage over an extended period of time in Reliable Sources. Certainly the article needs a good sandblasting, but with respects, that's a subject for WP:CLEANUP, not deletion. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete as copyright violation [2] Untick (talk) 05:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A straight cut and paste from myspace. How appropriate. Yes, that should make it speedy, though i'm not sure of the procedure once the AFD has begun.Bali ultimate (talk) 13:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As JamesBurns pointed out above it's not possible to establish now which came first, the article here or the MySpace page. Gonzonoir (talk) 10:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. This has also undergone changes over the past two years. -- Banjeboi 11:47, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.