Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claire Redfield (Character)
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The result was Keep per the consensus below. Eluchil404 (talk) 00:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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An article copy-pasted from http://residentevil.wikia.com/Claire_Redfield
Non-notable, unsourced video game character.
NB: there is also another article under a redirect at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Claire_Redfield&oldid=341298832 That article was redirected long ago and was briefly restored recently. The two editors involved are acting quite similar, IMO ;)
I'd be all for disinterring the redirected article and discussing them both here.
*Delete.* If kept as redirect, a history merge may be in order.
Cheers, Jack Merridew 21:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (Search video game sources) MrKIA11 (talk) 21:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't appear to have been properly sourced when it was copypasta'd from wikia -
so speedy delete as WP:CSD#G12. I would do this myself, but maybe I missed something?–xenotalk 21:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]- Probably no longer a good speedy candidate, but some type of attribution is required here. –xenotalk 23:15, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep as insanely notable protagonist from multiple films, games, action figures, top ten lists, etc. I have been working on the character articles from this franchise with another user as discussed at User talk:A Nobody/Archive 26#Resident Evil and have merged some of our efforts from userspace to this article, i.e. it is no longer a mere copy of the Wikia article and by contrast include numerous references from reliable sources noting the character's significance. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 21:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Which criterion for speedy keep does this meet? I don't think this is a bad-faith nomination. —C.Fred (talk) 22:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Anyone with any knowledge of works of fiction and especially video games would know this character is notable. Anyone, even someone ignorant of fiction and video games, who did even remedial research on Google would see as much. Claire appears as the playable protagonist in three major video games: Resident Evil 2 (second best selling game in the hugely influential franchise with nearly five million copies sold), Resident Evil Code Veronica (a multi-system game), and the recent Resident Evil The Darkside Chronicles; TWO theatrically releaed live action movies; one animated DVD feature length movie; and once again over 50 Google Books hits confirm as much. She also appears as the protagonist in novelizations of the games/films and as multiple action figures as confirmed at amazon.com. A character familiar to millions of people around the world in the form of being a protagonist in what is unquestionably one of the top five most important survival horror franchises in history, having a major role in three films, appearing in novels, and as multiple action figures and when all of this is verified through dozens of reliable sources is notable by any reasonable definition of the term. Most importantly as far as why I would say "speedy" is that finding sources does not require going to the ends of the earth. Thus, declaring the subject "non-notable" is flat-out dishonest. Trying to delete something that is obviously improveable instead of following WP:BEFORE and WP:PRESERVE is just plain lazy and inconsiderate. Deletion is an extreme last resort for that which absolutely cannot be improved, not for something that takes all of two minutes to confirm that secondary sources in books and magazines discuss in terms of development and reception across multiples, games, films, etc. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 14:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- So, you've just called me ignorant, dishonest, lazy and inconsiderate. Nice. Please see wp:no personal attacks. She's just a fuckin' video game character. Happy editing! Jack Merridew 16:10, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Resident Evil: Degeneration, Resident Evil: Extinction, and Resident Evil: Afterlife are movies, not video games. These four action figures are not video games either. These novels are also not video games. She is not "just a video game" character. --A NobodyMy talk 16:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- a VG char that's been mass marketed. It's all ephemeral tripe. You gonna acknowledge your other comments re myself? Sincerely, Jack Merridew 17:10, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- By dismissing a major character from three games, three films, four action figures, and two novels familiar to millions of people around the world and who appears in top ten lists as well as who is discussed in dozens of published books, you have proven my point. Yet again, once I focus on a particular area of fiction (User talk:A Nobody/Archive 26#Resident Evil, User:A Nobody#Userfied articles to work on, User talk:A Nobody/List of decisive battles#Resident Evil chronology, User talk:A Nobody/Archive 26#RE: RE, etc.), you suddenly have to target it as seen at User talk:A Nobody/Archive 27#Orphaned non-free image File:PlayStation 2 Resident Evil 4 covers.jpg 2. See all of his article edits from 20:05 2 February through 1:26 3 February: [1]; See all of his file edits from 17:38 1 February through 1:19 3 February (those are all Resident Evil character files): [2]. And if targetting areas I am interested in despite such warnings as this is not bad enough, you bite a new editor with the “puerile shite” line here, consistent with dismissing other works of fiction as "crap". And since swearing seems the approach of the day, you post immediately below me with a declaration of "bullshit" in yet another discussion. I keep trying to ignore you and so you keep going after anything I seem interested in. Yes, I can ignore nearly all of this persistent baiting, but I am not going to stand by as an obviously improveable article concerning something verfiable through dozens of reliable sources with unquestionable real world notability from a franchise and particular character I have been working on for over a year is targetted. --A NobodyMy talk 17:27, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You gonna acknowledge your other comments re myself? Curious, Jack Merridew 18:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- By dismissing a major character from three games, three films, four action figures, and two novels familiar to millions of people around the world and who appears in top ten lists as well as who is discussed in dozens of published books, you have proven my point. Yet again, once I focus on a particular area of fiction (User talk:A Nobody/Archive 26#Resident Evil, User:A Nobody#Userfied articles to work on, User talk:A Nobody/List of decisive battles#Resident Evil chronology, User talk:A Nobody/Archive 26#RE: RE, etc.), you suddenly have to target it as seen at User talk:A Nobody/Archive 27#Orphaned non-free image File:PlayStation 2 Resident Evil 4 covers.jpg 2. See all of his article edits from 20:05 2 February through 1:26 3 February: [1]; See all of his file edits from 17:38 1 February through 1:19 3 February (those are all Resident Evil character files): [2]. And if targetting areas I am interested in despite such warnings as this is not bad enough, you bite a new editor with the “puerile shite” line here, consistent with dismissing other works of fiction as "crap". And since swearing seems the approach of the day, you post immediately below me with a declaration of "bullshit" in yet another discussion. I keep trying to ignore you and so you keep going after anything I seem interested in. Yes, I can ignore nearly all of this persistent baiting, but I am not going to stand by as an obviously improveable article concerning something verfiable through dozens of reliable sources with unquestionable real world notability from a franchise and particular character I have been working on for over a year is targetted. --A NobodyMy talk 17:27, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- a VG char that's been mass marketed. It's all ephemeral tripe. You gonna acknowledge your other comments re myself? Sincerely, Jack Merridew 17:10, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Resident Evil: Degeneration, Resident Evil: Extinction, and Resident Evil: Afterlife are movies, not video games. These four action figures are not video games either. These novels are also not video games. She is not "just a video game" character. --A NobodyMy talk 16:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- So, you've just called me ignorant, dishonest, lazy and inconsiderate. Nice. Please see wp:no personal attacks. She's just a fuckin' video game character. Happy editing! Jack Merridew 16:10, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Anyone with any knowledge of works of fiction and especially video games would know this character is notable. Anyone, even someone ignorant of fiction and video games, who did even remedial research on Google would see as much. Claire appears as the playable protagonist in three major video games: Resident Evil 2 (second best selling game in the hugely influential franchise with nearly five million copies sold), Resident Evil Code Veronica (a multi-system game), and the recent Resident Evil The Darkside Chronicles; TWO theatrically releaed live action movies; one animated DVD feature length movie; and once again over 50 Google Books hits confirm as much. She also appears as the protagonist in novelizations of the games/films and as multiple action figures as confirmed at amazon.com. A character familiar to millions of people around the world in the form of being a protagonist in what is unquestionably one of the top five most important survival horror franchises in history, having a major role in three films, appearing in novels, and as multiple action figures and when all of this is verified through dozens of reliable sources is notable by any reasonable definition of the term. Most importantly as far as why I would say "speedy" is that finding sources does not require going to the ends of the earth. Thus, declaring the subject "non-notable" is flat-out dishonest. Trying to delete something that is obviously improveable instead of following WP:BEFORE and WP:PRESERVE is just plain lazy and inconsiderate. Deletion is an extreme last resort for that which absolutely cannot be improved, not for something that takes all of two minutes to confirm that secondary sources in books and magazines discuss in terms of development and reception across multiples, games, films, etc. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 14:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Which criterion for speedy keep does this meet? I don't think this is a bad-faith nomination. —C.Fred (talk) 22:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I never thought I'd say this, but keep per A Nobody. Although the article still needs work, its no longer a copy-paste from Wikia, and useable sources have been included (if not properly integrated). The article needs to be moved to Claire Redfield though, there's no reason for the disambiguation. -- Sabre (talk) 22:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per A Nobody, also nom must have missed the rather large list of links as references. Ideally they would be integrated but this makes them non-inline sourced rather than unsourced. -- Banjeboi 22:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Any issues with being overly in-universe or attribution to the other wiki are fixable. I see an article with sufficient independent sourcing to meet GNG. I do agree that a move to/history merge with Claire Redfield is in order. —C.Fred (talk) 22:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I created this page! I have to admit that most of its stuff is from wikia, but I have spent 2 hours editing it to make it sound like it own, I have got pictures too, I am not letting Claire Lose her own page, her brother has one, why can't she! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smalln (talk • contribs) 22:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Not really sure why. She used to have a page [3] but it was redirected to the List of characters in the Resident Evil series in July 2008. I guess there was consensus that she shouldn't have a page? There's nothing on the talk page about though, and as far as I can tell no AFD. I'll try to look into it and see what happened. Reach Out to the Truth 03:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Usually just one or two people decide something shouldn't exist, and they remove it without discussion. Or even if you have a discussion, and most are against a merge, they'll do anyway after arguing nonstop.[4] Dream Focus 08:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. A rd is sufficient as the info can be provided there. No RS for establishing real-world significance. Eusebeus (talk) 23:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep In addition to the umpteen IGN sources there are numerous magazine articles kicking around out there dealing with RE2 and CV. The character is a/the primary character on two major video games, has recently been featured in another game (Darkside Chronicles), has appeared in one live action film and is going to appear in another, and also stars in the CGI flick Degeneration. That's just in terms of reception, we've already got info about her character originally being this 'Elza', there are several interviews kicking around with the actress who plays her in the film. There's enough here to assert notability in terms of reception as well as enough out-of-universe info available to square up the article. Someoneanother 07:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Gamasutra [5] states "A live action spin-offs featuring the Claire Redfield character has also been suggested". Notable enough to be considered to be the main character in a film. Google news shows results. [6]Game Zone has her on a top 10 list. Plenty of book results for her as well. Dream Focus 08:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep THis looks like a standard sourced fictional character biography. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this page! Claire Redfield is a very important Character, She is part of the story there is plenty of information on her, it will take a little bit to get it all, perhaps we can add trivia or quotes? and some more pictures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smalln (talk • contribs) 15:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry Smalln, but I've just removed the quotes you added, WP articles don't need trivia. As far as more images are concerned, we can't add any more than absolutely necessary because they're copyrighted and we need to assert fair use. Take a look at Nemesis (Resident Evil), which is what the article should resemble as much as possible. Someoneanother 16:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I understand Someone Another, I was just trying. Anyone who wants to help form a resident Evil Force, Click here User:Smalln/ResidentEvilForce I will need some help.
- Keep. I may have done much of the work for the article, but I am objective, having merged several articles that I created. It clearly demonstrates a number of reliable sources in the external link section that have yet to be properly formatted into text. Many sources have ceom from searching through only a handful of sources - ie, IGN, GamesRadar, UGO, GameDaily, etc. I have not searched Metacritic, Google News, or Google Books for information on this character yet, both of which are commonly a strong source for information on characters in my experience. No valid reason to delete. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep major character in several video games - has some sources --> notable. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:13, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Claire Redfield's PAGE! I would Like to Start a Rebecca Chamber Rebecca Chambers (Character) page too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smalln (talk • contribs) 23:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as reasonably well-referenced page. Needs some slight cleanup and incorporation of the other references.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 03:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Regarding a history merge, I started a discussion at WT:Articles for deletion/Claire Redfield (Character)#History mess. Flatscan (talk) 04:26, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Major character in a major franchise depicted in multiple media. Edward321 (talk)
- Keep, searching Google News by "Claire Redfield" "Resident Evil" yields 353 hits. Abductive (reasoning) 07:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Clear keep consensus on this one.--Milowent (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.