Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Messiah (Ottawa)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. it is usual to give the votes of more experienced editors more weight then inexperienced editors and on that basis the outcome is clear Spartaz ^Humbug! 03:04, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Church of the Messiah (Ottawa)

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Not every church is notable or meets WP:NONPROFIT. The only reliable sources are articles from the last few days about the church moving locations. That's more like news than notability. Singularity42 (talk) 21:55, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

• Keep. The church didn't just move, there was a separation from the Diocese of Ottawa. The Church of the Messiah chose to separate from the Diocese over the issue of same-sex marriage. Lovely sre (talk) 22:00, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but it seems that this church is only really notable for one event that happened a few days ago, and I don't think it meets WP:EVENT. I'm not opposed to the article being re-created if it the church remains notable in a few months' time, but right now, it is impossible to tell. Singularity42 (talk) 22:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand your reasoning. "Event" doesn't apply, it is an information article on a church, that was founded 144 years ago and that Sir John A Macdonald attended. I'm perfectly happy to keep the information on the St. Alban's article if that is the more appropriate place for it to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.54.52 (talk) 00:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment Lovely sre is an account which has edited this and one other related article, and is the creator of this article. Edison (talk) 00:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete There is no inherent notability for being a church. The relevant notability guideline is WP:ORG, and thiscongregation in no way satisfies it. One burst of news coverage for leaving its former parent denomination fails WP:NOTNEWS. Edison (talk) 00:47, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
• Delete No significant coverage in third party sources and as such fails WP:GNG et al. Mtking (talk) 08:25, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. — —Tom Morris (talk) 11:44, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 13:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

• Keep. The parish is 144 years old, it changed its name and moved. The new parish is St. Alban's. For more information, see www.stalban.ca and www.messiahchurch.ca. It is part of the Anglican Network in Canada , see http://anglicannetwork.ca and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Network_in_Canada, which is in turn part of the Anglican Church in North America, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Church_in_North_America and http://anglicanchurch.net/. This article should be included in the series on the Anglican Realignment, as it is part of the realignment movement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.54.52 (talk • contribs)
• Comment AFD is not an appropriate place to insert lots of spam links. There is no "inherent notability" for the "Anglican Relignment" or the "realignment movement." Edison (talk) 00:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
• Comment They are not spam links, they are references, to explain why I think the parish is notable. If there is no inherent notability in the Anglican realalignmnt movement, why does Wikipedia already have a series of articles on it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.54.52 (talk) 00:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete for lack of notibility 19:37, 5 July 2011 (UTC) Jewishprincess (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

• Merge to Anglican Network in Canada, which is notable. There don't seem to be quite enough reliable sources on this specific church. -- 202.124.74.60 (talk) 12:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

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