Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christianese

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. -- Vary | Talk 18:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Christianese[edit]

WP:ISNOT, a dictionary, publisher of original thought, or a directory. This is a list of words Blessed, Fellowship, Mission, Ministry, and others without references. Each of these words has an article which defines it already. Car54 01:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The subject of a distinctive "jargon" in a major religious group is significant. While the page may presently contain little other than common words, the social role of this jargon could be an important encyclopedic subject, quite apart from a simple "list of definitions"
The term outside wiki: [http://www.moodymagazine.com/articles.php?action=view_article&id=91http://www.arin.net/whois/

Whois] [1] [2] aaaaand...here are two books about it: [3] [4] DanB DanD 02:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weakest Keep On the surface appears to be a silly neologism, and I'm still not convinced it has much importance. It does appear to be utilised by a lot of different websites, though, and DanB DanD was able to site further usage. — NM Chico24 03:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Documents a distinctive and culturally-relevant jargon. Rohirok 04:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Wikipedia is not a dictionary of 'distinctive "jargon"' Wryspy 04:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Polari? Engrish? Cockney rhyming slang? Lunfardo? Slang#See_also? DanB DanD 05:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. This article is more than a mere list of words with definitions. True, it lists examples, but it also discusses religious culture associated with the jargon, sociological implications and influence on popular culture. Also see the counterexamples to your arguments listed by DanB DanD above. Rohirok 17:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak keep, as DanB DanD has cited outside usage – but I think the whole idea's pretty silly. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • ER • 13:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Neologism StuffOfInterest 13:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per references by DanB DanD, but remove OR elements of the list. Staecker 13:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep defintely a distinctive jargon. Carter 19:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No one's going to use this search term, and frankly I feel the neologism "Christianese" has a very distinct POV. That said, there are certainly words used specifically by certain religious sects. Why not merge that information to articles (or sub-articles?) about those particular religions?Jacqui^★ 21:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- If you think it's a slur on Christians, it isn't. As a matter of fact, the word is itself Christianese: it arose among evangelicals who feared their proselytizing was ineffective because they "speak a different language" from the people they're talking to. Anyway, the titles of many articles--the names of advocacy organizations and so on--express a PoV. DanB DanD 06:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Wryspy, sources notwithstanding. It's a neologism. Gazpacho 02:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this article needs to die for our sins. --Xrblsnggt 02:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete wikipedia is not a dictionary. Think about this as if this were a language. Chinese, a language of several dialects in China, has an article that redirects to the elements of that culture, the people, etc. It does not simply list words and meanings. Yet, this is worse because it defines english words, and english words that already have articles in a Christian category. C56C 08:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, good solid article, but lose the lexicon. -- Visviva 10:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but rename. "Christianese" is used most often in a POV sense or a humorous one, but the article is (apparently) broader. Something like List of Christian terminology or List of words and phrases in Christianity.--Dhartung | Talk 21:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - needs work and closer sourcing but definitely encyclopaedic. BlueValour 03:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Neologism, and a couple books do not convince me that it's a widely used one. Isomorphic 05:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:ISNOT a lexicon. Nickieee 07:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Here is an example[5] from the Church Marketing Sucks blog. It's more than a neologism. The entry needs a clean up/destubbing, but it belongs in Wikipedia and with the name Christianese. Carter 16:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC) (reitterating previous vote to Keep)[reply]
Keep This article isn't limited to a lexicon, it explains the cultural contexts as well. Borisblue 00:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.