Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chittaranjan High School

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The result was keep. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 15:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chittaranjan High School[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NOTE, does not meet WP:SIGCOV is a duplicate page of Chittaranjan English Medium high school which has also been nominated for deletion. Wikishagnik (talk) 20:27, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional Keep Provided a reliable source can be found to verify that it is an actual high school. This has been the common outcome of high school AFDs in recent years. Merge the two articles which appear to be about the same school. Edison (talk) 00:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. TerriersFan (talk) 15:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. TerriersFan (talk) 15:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - We keep high schools for the very good reason that experience shows that, with enough research, sources can invariably be found that meet WP:ORG. Google is a very poor tool for finding sources on Indian schools because, unlike US schools, they don't dump everything on the Internet. Indeed, very few have much of an Internet presence at all. We must avoid systemic bias and allow time for local sources to be researched since no evidence has been adduced that this school cannot meet notability requirements. I have added references that verifies that it is a high school that educates to grade 12, and rewritten the page. TerriersFan (talk) 16:08, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CommentAlthough that might be a very noble intention it does not address any concern a wikify tag might raise. Tomorrow a hundred other pages might simply copy-paste information from this article (which is allowed in Wikipedia Policy) and then suddenly this school will become very notable indeed. And how are you stating that Google is a very poor tool about Indian Schools? Its the largest web search engine in the world. There are a lot of pages about this school but they are mostly Facebook and LinkedIn pages. That either means that this is an English medium school or a lot of its students suddenly learned English from somewhere else. And from where is the statement We keep high schools for the very good reason that experience shows that, with enough research, sources can invariably be found coming from? Either there are reliable resources or their are'nt. So which is it? Have you even bothered checking WP:SCH? This in itself is a failed proposal. Wikishagnik (talk) 21:46, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per User:Bearian/Standards#Notability_of_High_Schools_at_WP:AfD. Bearian (talk) 21:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So as per your Notability guidelines you are voting keep because These are my own Standards. I will clarrify that we are not talking about WP:NOTE? Wikishagnik (talk) 22:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The consensus of the Wikipedia community, demonstrated at hundreds of AFDs over recent years is that legitimate high schools (not home schools, or other spurious institutions) get kept and are de facto notable. The standard is that of the editing community, not just of Bearian. Edison (talk) 01:05, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Edison. I listed my link because there is no single list of criteria that has gained consensus, but I think mine is fairly representative. Bearian (talk) 17:35, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. General consensus is that verified secondary schools are notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:15, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per wp:BIAS and wp:SNOW. The region indeed falls under less internet coverage. I would also request the nominator to go through wp:BIAS. -- Ðℬig XЯaɣ 14:44, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments for all of above - I suggest all Keep suggester's above go through these arguments. WP:MAJORITY Clearly states that arguments should reflect a point of view and not simply an aggregation of the majority opinion. Hence, while stating something Generic that all schools are notable unlike home-schools as per consensus etc. understand that all information on Wikipedia has to be verifiable (WP:NRVE) and that the subject of the article (and not its content) should have received significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV). I can understand WP:BIAS for regions that don't have English coverage but this School is an English Medium School or as I said its students do Know English. Significant coverage can also be demonstrated in other language for notability, but the discussion then moves to whether the article deserves to be in English Wikipedia. Unfortunately [[DBigXray I fail to understand how WP:SNOW applies here at all? I thank all editors for their contributions but request all of them to quote examples of what they are talking about and avoid sweeping generalizations like hundreds of AfD etc. If their are hundreds of examples of anything then I am sure Wikipedia policy will reflect that change. --Wikishagnik (talk) 12:58, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments - Let me give a few examples of notable schools in India

Kendriya Vidyalaya Picket, (Mumbai, India) mentioned here and here.
Ramkrishna Mission Vidyalaya, Narendrapur, West Bengal, India mentioned here in passing.
St. Xavier's School, Panihati, West Bengal mentioned here in passing.
Ryan International School, Kundalahalli, Bangalore mentioned here in passing.
Nalanda Talent School, Kolkata mentioned here.

The list above is merely to show that Schools in India do recieve coverage in english medium and are available in google. Wikishagnik (talk) 13:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By the reply above its evident that you have clearly failed to understand the policies and how/why they have been made. ill just take one example from my statement, I said its keep due to wp:BIAS for the lesser coverage of the region in online media as compared to the print media, Speaking English is no way a measuring rod for internet coverage. eg African nations having English as the official lang. If you will start looking in the local print media a lot of references will come and there has been several such examples, in past. Also in this case of ours Bengali is the local language, so I am sure a lot of references will be found in the Bengali newspapers but google wont give such results.hope i have made my point clear-- Ðℬig XЯaɣ 01:27, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update found a reference in the national Newspaper The Telegraph (Calcutta) [1][2]-- Ðℬig XЯaɣ 01:31, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks DBigXray for providing the reference, and that too in English from a reputable newspaper. So should I assume that WP:BIAS does not apply to this school atleast?--Wikishagnik (talk) 13:22, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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