Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chile–Peru football rivalry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chile–Peru football rivalry

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I seek to have a debate about the relevance of this article as there's strong evidence to suggest that this rivalry isn't mutual on the football field. This article cites many Peruvian sources which isn't overly balanced and the only neutral site the one coming from Malaysia only suggests that a war once occurred between the two nations but fails to conclusively suggest if this rivalry actually resonates to the football field. I can write more but I wish to keep this introduction short. Overall most Chileans don't consider Peru as a rival. Chelios123 (talk) 09:06, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. CNN in 2008 had this on a list of the "Top 10 international rivalries". This 2006 AP article about Chilean foreign affairs mentions the "heated rivalries over soccer matches" between Chile and Peru. This brief item in the Sunday Mail (Scotland) "describes them as "bitter rivals" and mentions that the Chilean team bus was stoned when it played in Peru in 2001. Here is Nolberto Solano in The Independent in 1999 describing Chile as Peru's "greatest rivals". I note that the history of this article indicates that substantial sourced portions (notably about the disagreement between the countries over who invented the bicycle kick, which is mentioned in the CNN list and discussed in our article about the history of the bicycle kick) have been deleted, rather than improved as they might have been. On the other hand, the current sections describing the Chile and Peru team histories, without reference to the rivalry, seem a bit off the point. --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

those are vaild sources however it still goes outside the scope of "football rivalry". Most of the information on this article is only valid for the chile-peru relations page. Like I said before the football contest between chile and peru doen't resonate huge feelings of rivalry in Chilean society and ONLY seems to affect Peruvians e.g the stoning incident in Lima. If the sense of Rivalry isn't mutual then its NOT a rivalry. The Nolberto solano quote only contributes to the Peruvian POV and the CNN source still doesn't explain football related issues on the field e.g Notable games or famous incidents. The scope of this article is about "football rivalry" and sadly everything in this article except the table of the results goes outside the scope of "football rivalry". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chelios123 (talk • contribs) 10:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:37, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Chile-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:37, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Peru-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:37, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:37, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3) & was therefore lost & retrieved today. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep or Merge with Football rivalries in Chile/Football rivalries in Peru - The subject strains at meeting notability in its own right, but does have decent sources (and those supplied here above are even better) to establish the existence of the rivalry (whether the animosity is stronger on one side or another). However, it seems redundant to add a third page when we already have pages for football rivalries for both of the relevant countries. Why not rename Football rivalries in Chile and Football rivalries in Peru to Chilean football rivalries and Peruvian football rivalries, respectively? This way both internal and international content can be included in separate sections and the content from the the currently debated article can be merged into them, as can any content for any other rivalries that others may wish to add later that involves either of these nations. It would be a good standard for going forward if we are going to allow articles for individual nation's rivalries and will reduce overhead on the editorial work that would otherwise be necessary in debating the notability of specific rivalries in future AfD's. Snow (talk) 02:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm not sure this 'rivalry' has received enough attention to meet GNG and be notable. Giant Snowman 15:40, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep appears to meet GNG. The CNN reference above is especially relevant. Eldumpo (talk) 21:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A good reference point is to look at the england-germany or england-scotland football rivalry pages and you'll find that those articles are many layers higher in quality than the chile-peru football rivalry page. Just mentioning a "war" is not enough to contribute to a football rivalry. Compared to the England-Germany or England-Scotland pages this article lacks information about notable matches, quotes from important entities from both sides or any other notable football related event. --Chelios123 (talk) 18:35, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.