Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cherushii

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The result was keep. ✗plicit 03:44, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cherushii[edit]

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Fails WP:NMUSIC. After filtering through all the sources, it appears that there are only two sources that could potentially be tested for notability: KQED and Vice. Much of the sources listed there are either press releases, editable databases, or social network posts. The Vice article appears to be a personal account from the artist's friend, so it cannot be used as a source, and the KQED article is plainly a trivial mention following the Ghost Ship fire. Even if the Vice article can be used as a source, it still would not fall under "significant coverage" as per the notability criteria. Thus it does not merit inclusion in Wikipedia. Aasim (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Aasim (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Aasim (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:BASIC/WP:GNG, and because I have added an obit/review from the Chicago Reader, an obit from SFGate, news highlighting her death from LAWeekly, The East Bay Times and Pitchfork, which support her notability; I haven't yet added this ABC7 report or this LA Times report, but both also provide biographical information. There are also reviews of her music from Pitchfork, LA Record, and 5Mag as well as in-depth coverage of her music from Pitchfork, which supports WP:CREATIVE notability, because she created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work that has been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews and similarly, per WP:NMUSIC, because she has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician. Beccaynr (talk) 04:20, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I have never heard of this individual until after the Ghost Ship fire. None of the works that she has authored or coauthored with another artist is notable, and after doing some digging, she does not even have a big social media presence compared to other individuals and singers from the Bay Area and Los Angeles. This may be a case of WP:ONEEVENT, where all that she got attention and notability for is for being a slightly popular musician who died in the Ghost Ship fire. All of the coverage I am finding are from after the Ghost Ship fires. It may be better to merge this with Ghost Ship warehouse fire. But I do not think she merits an individual page on Wikipedia. See [1] and [2]. Aasim (talk) 22:29, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Per WP:IDONTKNOWIT, Everything in Wikipedia needs to be verifiable information published in reliable sources before an article can even be considered for inclusion. As to her notability, per relevant policies and sources cited above, including WP:NMUSIC, Cherushii has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician, with biographical information that can be used to further develop the article. Per WP:CREATIVE, the multiple reviews of her music cited above also support her notability. Per WP:SOURCESEARCH, social media posts are described as sources that aren't actually building notability at all, and are cited in the nom as problematic, so an apparent lack of a social media presence does not seem relevant to her notability. I also disagree that this is WP:BIO1E, including because based on the multiple independent and reliable sources, she did more than die in the Ghost Ship fire. Her music and her life are reported independently from the Ghost Ship fire (even when her death is mentioned), including by KQED in 2016 and the sources listed above, including music reviews several years after the fire and articles that focus on her. The obit articles cited above also support her notability per WP:BASIC and WP:GNG because they are significant and in-depth coverage from multiple independent and reliable sources. She also was not low-profile after she died, due to her music being released and reviewed by multiple independent and reliable sources after her death, so this is not WP:BLP1E. In addition, merger with the Ghost Ship warehouse fire article does not appear to be feasible, because that article focuses on the fire and the legal aftermath. I also do not think that links to WP:GOOGLEHITS, especially when only using her stage name as a search term, provides support for deletion, because multiple independent and reliable sources are available to support her notability according to several guidelines. Beccaynr (talk) 23:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: In particular, BLP1E and a merge have been suggested in addition to the NMUSIC and BASIC/GNG considerations. Further participation and discussion may help develop a consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — MarkH₂₁^talk 17:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Additional sources, per WP:NMUSIC and WP:BASIC/WP:GNG: 2017 in-depth coverage about her life and music from Dazed, 2016 music review and interview before her death from Dummy, 2014 interview with Femmecult, 2020 review from DJ Mag (of music recorded by Cherushii in 2015), 2019 review with background context/biographical information from DJ Mag, 2019 review from Exclaim!. Beccaynr (talk) 18:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as passes WP:GNG with significant coverage of her career as well as her death such as Exclaim!, DJ Mag, Pitchfork and Vice as well as newspaper coverage so this is not a case of WP:BLP1E and there is no valid reason for deletion in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Additional sources to support WP:BASIC/WP:GNG and how she was not low-profile before or after her death (and therefore not WP:BLP1E) include a 2016 Chicago Reader feature article before her death that includes a focus on her with substantial context, a brief 2019 KEXP review, and a Reverb magazine obit with commentary, which includes what is reported to be her last interview before she died. Beccaynr (talk) 23:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Atlantic306. ~Kvng (talk) 13:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, given the sources identified by Beccaynr that show the subject passing WP:GNG (in my opinion). Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:28, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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