Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chelsea F.C. and FC Barcelona football rivalry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Core desat 05:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chelsea F.C. and FC Barcelona football rivalry

Not a notable rivalry compared to Celtic-Rangers, Real Madrid-Barcelona, Milan-Inter, etc. – Pee Jay 23:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Disagree: If the article was less detailed you might have a point, but Chelsea-Barcelona has been one of the single biggest grudge matches in recent years in the Champions League. Yes, compared with Celtic-Rangers or Boca-River it is a new rivalry but in modern European football there are scarcely two teams who want to beat each other more than Chelsea and Barcelona. There have been innumerable high-profile incidents, accusations and so on, listed in the article. Ask any TV channel director in a country like Poland, Romania, Slovenia or so on with no domestic interest in the Champions League and it's always the first match they choose for live coverage because it's the biggest rivalry. Mjefm (talk) 23:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence: Gabriele Marcotti, no less, describes Chelsea-Barça thus: link. If Sports Illustrated, an American magazine not known for focusing on football, notes it, it must be considered notable. Mjefm (talk) 23:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge there seems to be encyclopedic content here, but it's more about Jose Mourinho versus other coaches and a referree than about a rivalry, which I always thought was between fans. I'd like to see the article merged to the main pages for the teams and coaches than consigned to its own page. Perhaps the creator of this page was forced out of those pages, and made this page so he could put the information somewhere? Fee Fi Foe Fum (talk) 05:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - you could create this sort of media-generated "rivalry" for any pair of clubs who meet three or four times. Not notable, as per nom. - fchd (talk) 08:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per fchd. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, if this is allowed, we could end up with almost limitless international club rivalries between clubs that have met each other more than once in international competitions. AC Milan-Celtic, Liverpool-Roma, Liverpool-Marseille, Chelsea-Valencia, Bayern Munich-Real Madrid..... King of the North East 11:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge as per fchd and Fee Fi Foe Fum. Jhony | Talk 15:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable recentism. MLA (talk) 16:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the reason CL rivalries are regarded as less important is because they rely heavily on chance (you have to actually be drawn against the team you're facing). Also, Chelsea have only recently become major contenders in Europe (I guess since Abramovich arrived), so any CL rivalry involving them will inherently be a case of "recentism". Can you name another rivalry between clubs from different countries (or, to be more precise, different domestic leagues) that is as strong as Chelsea/Barcelona? ugen64 (talk) 05:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - so you're saying that we should keep the article because the Chelsea/Barcelona rivalry is as strong as or stronger than, say, the rivalry between Chester City and Wrexham or Cardiff City and Bristol City? I think that's a case of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS that you're bringing up there. There are very few rivalries between clubs in different countries, and since the Chelsea-Barcelona "rivalry" is only a few years old, this is very much a case of WP:RECENTISM. – Pee Jay 09:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not a notable rivalry, and I don't really want plenty of articles about football rivalries of any kind. --Angelo (talk) 14:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.