Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chelsea Blue

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The result was no consensus. ‑Scottywong | gossip _ 04:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Chelsea Blue[edit]

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A BLP stub without any secondary source coverage from reliable sources, fails WP:BIO, WP:PORNBIO and WP:GNG. This actress was active 1995-2004, with no new sources since. Her name is worth a mention on articles covering the films she starred in, but there is not nearly enough for a standalone BLP. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:06, 18 January 2014 (UTC) SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:06, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom's accurate analysis. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:09, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The subject here has "starred in an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature", namely Snoop Dogg's Hustlaz: Diary of a Pimp which was "the top-selling U.S. pornographic film of 2003." She recieved a lot of the same attention that Snoop recieved from this film, since she & Snoop were both nominated for a 2004 AVN Award for "Best Non-Sex Performance, Film or Video" from this movie. The subject here therefore meets the PORNBIO inclusion standard. Note: I personally do not believe that this old AfD settled these types of issues properly & permanently, since not that many people actually participated in that old AfD. Guy1890 (talk) 00:17, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Guy1890, Starred in various notable pornos so is notable. →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 01:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:02, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She actually starred in two, not one, TWO iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster features; Snoop Dogg's Hustlaz: Diary of a Pimp and Fashionistas. Rebecca1990 (talk) 03:36, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails PORNBIO. She was in two blockbusters movies but little evidence that she starred in them and the fact of the matter is she didn't. The lead roles of Fashionistas were played by Belladonna, Taylor St. Claire, Rocco Siffredi, and Manuel Ferrara. She played a journalist in Snoop's movie that interviewed him but only had a solo scene (masturbation only). The only star of that movie was Snoop. Morbidthoughts (talk) 02:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Guy1890, no one has commented on her as having "starred in an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature". The notability of the "iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature" is not inherited automatically by actors. There is no evidence that this person contributed to the iconic, groundbreaking or blockbusting qualities of the movie, let alone independently published commentary on it. No independent coverage of the subject in relation to that movie after ten years.
Davey2010, notability is not inherited. The amount of sourceable material (her involvement) is no more than is appropriate to list very briefly on the articles on the notable pornos. The complete sourceable material is already present at Snoop Dogg's Hustlaz: Diary of a Pimp.
Rebecca1990, notability is not inherited. There is no independent coverage connecting this person to these films. Fashionistas doesn't even mention this actor.
This person fails the notability guidelines, and there is negligible biographical content. It cannot be considered a biography, and as the person has moved on, ten years ago, it is very unlikely that there will be new material coming. The very few bits of old information on this person are not the basis for a BLP. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:08, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"The notability of the 'iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature' is not inherited automatically by actors." The problem with that line of thinking is that it runs afoul of the current ENTERTAINER standard, which has very similar wording ("Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions") to the PORNBIO standard. If you don't think that someone "starred" in a movie that they were nominated for a non-sex role in, then fine, but one can't just make up one's own inclusion criteria & apply it to Wikipedia articles. Guy1890 (talk) 07:59, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So WP:ENTERTAINER, another section of WP:BIO, is also foul of our WP:BLP standards. At best, these low threshold indicators are good for new topic on which further source is predicted. These weak indicators are particularly inappropriate for cases like this that have been silent for years. Maintaining a BLP on someone who might have been becoming notable, but didn't, is particularly offensive to WP:BLP. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:14, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Concur with views expressed by Morbidthoughts & SmokeyJoe. Finnegas (talk) 00:40, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete While she starred in some clearly notable films, she does not inherit that notability, and I don't see anything notable outside of them.LM2000 (talk) 02:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails GNG. Carrite (talk) 07:28, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per above. Subtropical-man (talk) (en-2) 19:10, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - She did star in two "big" movies. She has had a very long porn career. She also tried mainstream tv mainly The Voyeur. It shows she does have some notability even if not to big.Stepojevac (talk) 22:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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