Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlevoix Building

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 12:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charlevoix Building

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The article does not meet GNG or NBUILD. Souces in article are blogs. BEFORE showed no RS that have direct and in-depth SIGCOV about the subject. Article itself has no claim of notability. // Timothy :: talk 00:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. // Timothy :: talk 00:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:10, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, agree with nominator that the article's sources are not useable, there is, however, this paper (pages 7 to 10 (unpaginated) of pdf file) that includes comprehensive info on the building, also, at the very least, Park Avenue Historic District (Detroit, Michigan) looks like a pretty good "redirect" target (with a sentence or two added:)). Coolabahapple (talk) 01:22, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 07:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Architecturally significant historic building, listed on the National Register of Historic Places as a contributing building in a historic district. We have many articles on contributing buildings that are not separately listed, as here, but for which there is significant info. The NRHP nomination document linked by Coolabahapple above does indeed include a great amount of info about the building, including that it deemed architecturally significant for having the first "marquis" in Detroit, in style of ones in New York City and elsewhere. There is more than enough material for a good "Start"-level article at least, and too much for merger into the historic district article IMO. Probably local historical society and/or local main library have photos and other materials about this building; it would certainly have been written about in Detroit newspapers at time of its construction and also off and on during the years. The story of its destruction is also significant and worth telling, although the nominator and Coolabahapple don't like the blog-like sources which were used (but probably are accurate in what they say, only have to omit some subjective spin). Also its architect William S. Joy (currently a redlink) appears to be notable for a Wikipedia article also (search on "William S. Joy" architect yields a portrait photo of him held by a Corona (California?) library, and info about a number of buildings he designed. The NRHP doc provides birthdate and some more. About the building, tag it for improvement if you want to punish the world somehow, but this is certainly a valid topic and article, so "Keep". --Doncram (talk) 19:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There are no sources that show this is an architecturally significant historic building. It is not listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Their is nothing notable about its destruction or its history. It does not meet GNG or NBUILDING. // Timothy :: talk 11:40, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.