Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley

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The result was redirect to David Armstrong-Jones, 2nd Earl of Snowdon. Most keep comments do not counter the NOTINHERITED criterium, the consensus is against delete, while there is a reasonable support to a redirect. Tone 10:48, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley[edit]

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Looks like Surtsicna was trying to nominate this using Twinkle and everything worked except creating the AfD page itself. Creating this to achieve what they presumably intended to—I am neutral. YorkshireLad ✿ ^(talk) 09:51, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. YorkshireLad ✿ ^(talk) 09:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. YorkshireLad ✿ ^(talk) 09:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Both the above inclusions in lists were part of the nomination via Twinkle. YorkshireLad ✿ ^(talk) 09:58, 17 August 2020 (UTC) [reply]

Weird! Thank you, YorkshireLad. Surtsicna (talk) 10:01, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this article for deletion because there appears to be no significant coverage as required for proof of notability by WP:BASIC and WP:GNG guidelines. Linley is mentioned frequently in passing but that does not qualify as in-depth coverage. All there is to say about him could fit in a single sentence in the article about his father. Surtsicna (talk) 10:01, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep a current member of the British Royal family --Devokewater@ 12:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Devokewater, he is not, really. He holds no royal title and performs no royal duties, and is not featured anywhere on the royal family's website. He is merely an obscure relation. Surtsicna (talk) 16:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Great-grandson of a king, great-nephew of the current Queen, member of the most famous royal family in the world. Clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, WP:Clearly notable. "That person A has a relationship with well-known person B ... is not a reason for a standalone article on A; relationships do not confer notability." See WP:INVALIDBIO and WP:NOTINHERITED. He is not a member of the royal family but merely a distant relation; he appears nowhere on the royal family's website. Could you please attempt to prove his notability objectively by demonstrating significant, in-depth coverage in reliable sources? Surtsicna (talk) 15:59, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Agree with above reasons Balle010 (talk) 15:58, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable: "heir apparent to the earldom of Snowdon". Oleryhlolsson (talk) 16:14, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no consensus on Wikipedia that heirs apparent to earldoms, or even earls themselves, are inherently notable. As noted in the closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Nicolas, Duke of Ångermanland, the concept of inherited notability has always been rejected by the community. Therefore, WP:SIGCOV applies to this biography as it does to any other. Surtsicna (talk) 16:42, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete. This is a genealogical entry with 1/3 of its sources deprecated. Notability is not and never has been inherited on WP; he is mentioned in passing by a now-dead, unarchived "Who's Who" link and a news blurb saying QE2 made him "First Page of Honour", which is not an honor that confers notability. JoelleJay (talk) 20:42, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to his father, David Armstrong-Jones, 2nd Earl of Snowdon. When I search for "Viscount Linley" online, I find mostly references to his father (who was known as Viscount Linley until 2017 when he inherited the earldom), and I don't find a lot of references to "Charles Armstrong-Jones" himself except as being one of his father's children. If, in the future, there is more news coverage of Charles in his own right, the article can be re-created at that time. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Redirect (to his papa's article), as he's the heir-apparent to the Earldom of Snowdon. GoodDay (talk) 16:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the significant coverage, though? Surtsicna (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - heir-apparent of an earl, great-nephew of the Queen, and grandson of Princess Margaret. I would not oppose a merge or redirect to his father. I'm looking for consensus and don't see one yet; see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Royalty_and_Nobility#Redirect_or_smerge. Bearian (talk) 21:54, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Being related to someone is not a reason for a standalone article; see WP:INVALIDBIO guideline. Wikipedia is also not meant to be a genealogy directory, documenting people solely for being related to other people; see WP:NOTGENEALOGY policy. Surtsicna (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Still neutral, but since delsorts are normally reported on the AfD page, just noting that this AfD was included (not by me) in a list on the talk page of WikiProject Royalty and Nobility, which seems to be functioning as an informal delsort for that topic. YorkshireLad ✿ ^(talk) 22:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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