Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centre of Canada

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. As Nosebagbear said, "It would also be beneficial if the delete !votes could clarify if they are specifically opposed to merging as an alternative, should that option move towards a consensus" - but that didn't happen. Since the final week has one each of keep, merge and delete, plus an argument to avoid, I can't see a consensus emerging. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Centre of Canada

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Everything has a centre. No notability to the "centre of Canada", no encyclopediac significance, could be handled as a line in a geography article. Wtshymanski (talk) 02:49, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - While other countries have articles for their geographic centers, this one does not seem to reference any outside coverage or allude to any significance. /Tpdwkouaa (talk) 04:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Geographic centre of Canada and expand; I don't see any issue with this article, and as the second largest country in the world, this definitely could use documentation. Nate • (chatter) 06:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:49, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:49, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of extreme points of Canada (which also includes "significant points"). We Canadians are rather indifferent to this notion for some reason, so not a lot of media notice. Besides, Torontonians will tell anyone who will listen that their city is the centre. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:43, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. I think this article is rather silly, but it seems to meet GNG per [1] and [2]. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 13:57, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. What is so special about the centre of Canada compared with anywhere else? (Clue: nothing whatsoever) If this article is justified then there needs to be 194 companion articles (as of January 2021^[update]) for the centre of every other country on the planet (for consistency, of course). 109.155.148.247 (talk) 14:27, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there aren't exactly 194 yet — but per Category:Geographical centres, there aren't "none", either. Bearcat (talk) 18:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. I'm definitely not convinced that this is really necessary as a standalone article, and agree that it would be much better handled as a few lines in a more general Canadian geography article, but there are numerous comparable examples for other countries in Category:Geographical centres — and after having perused them, I can state categorically that very, very few of those articles are in any better shape, or show much stronger evidence of "significance", or have much better referencing to support them, than this. So while I'd support a consensus that they're almost all unnecessary and poorly referenced, and could almost all do with being merged into broader geography articles rather than continuing to stand alone anymore, I can't support singling the Canadian version out as somehow uniquely less notable than the others. Bearcat (talk) 18:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of extreme points of Canada. Looking at the other articles in the category, most have a monument of some sort at the location, so it could be considered an article about that rather than just the geographic point. This does have a sign board, but a merge is still quite reasonable. Reywas92^Talk 20:22, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The nomination doesn't seem to understand the concept as "Everything has a centre" misrepresents the issue. There are a variety of ways of determining the centre and the page in question lists a selection of these for Canada, which appear to be based on expert work done by others. The rest seems to be WP:UNENCYC which is a personal opinion and argument to avoid. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:15, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment by nominator This encyclopedia is supposed to be about notable items. Having been to the sign currently depicted in the article, I am confident that the article has not overstated the notability of the latitudinal centre of Canada, at any rate; there is nothing observable about this area that makes it more notable than any other wheat field between Thunder Bay and Calgary. An arbitrary mathematical operation carried on on arbitrarily chosen points does not make for notability. I doubt the other "centres" of Canada re any more notable. This sign isn't even in the right spot, according to some. --Wtshymanski (talk) 01:09, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but I would favour a subsequent merge to List of extreme points of Canada, subject to editorial consensus. AFD is a very poor forum for constructive editing so I do not think AFD should mandate any particular merge. In my view there is no need to alter the title of the target. Keep the redirect so it can remain in Category:Geographical centres. Every country has a capital but that does not mean we should reduce information about capitals to a single line. The solution to the problem of some countries not yet having centroid information is to add the information, not to delete what we already have. It is not true that "this encyclopedia is supposed to be about notable items". Each article should be about a notable topic and other other information may be included in articles on broader topics. Thincat (talk) 12:16, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Although certain keep (or keep-equivalent) participation does not seem clearly policy based, the current 3-way split makes closing currently not warranted. It would also be beneficial if the delete !votes could clarify if they are specifically opposed to merging as an alternative, should that option move towards a consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 19:42, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; it has reliable coverage featuring it as the main topic, such as [3] (from AleatoryPonderings's comment) and [4] (currently in the External Links section). As for List of extreme points of Canada, it does not strike me as an appropriate home; in plain language a centre is not an "extreme point". Adumbrativus (talk) 02:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of extreme points of Canada. Niceguylucky (talk) 09:46, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Toronto is of course the cultural, financial and center everything important in Canada and the article doesn't mention it. Seriously we have never talked about the "centre of Canada" at school here and we don't attach much importance to the subject otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 02:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable in any way. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 00:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.