Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centennial High School (Minnesota)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 05:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Centennial High School (Minnesota) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
No assertion of notability whatsoever for this school. Just information that should belong to the school's website, not to an encyclopedic article. Húsönd 22:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I cannot tell which of the possible high schools you are nominating for deletion.02:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by DGG (talk • contribs).
- Removed the others now. I don't know why they even appeared, that box was automatically generated. Odd. Húsönd 02:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I cannot tell which of the possible high schools you are nominating for deletion.02:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by DGG (talk • contribs).
Speedy Keep — Valid disambiguation page. Improper AfD nomination process for Centennial High School (Minnesota). — RJH (talk) 18:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Some bug targeted the dab page instead of Centennial High School (Minnesota) (the one being nominated). Fixed now.--Húsönd 19:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Possible very weak keep but only if we judge a single hockey championship in a small league to be sufficient for notability. I personally think more is needed for notability in sports, but this may just my opinion. There's nothing else the least notable. DGG 03:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability isn't contagious. If the hockey team is notable then it should have an article of its own. Not the school where it is from, nor the players' parents, nor anything else that is non-notable but happened to have some kind of association with the team.--Húsönd 15:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The hockey team is run by the school, staffed by the school, supervised by the school, and its team members are part of teh school; The team is a part of the school. A school is not a building; it is the sum total of all its components. Unless the team is unaffiliated with the school, the team's accomplishments are the school's accomplishments. Alansohn 15:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's an interesting theory, I'm not buying it though. A school is a school, a team is a team. The team players are also fed by their parents, their education is sponsored by their parents, and they even came to this world thanks to their parents. And still that doesn't make the parents notable. Húsönd 16:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Contrary to your nomination, notability is claimed and established. The fact that you have taken it upon yourself to ignore it does not make it go away. By this "logic" any accomplishment by a school can be trivialized and disregarded as merely the accomplishments of the individuals or their parents. The team is not sponsored by the parents, and the fact that they are fed and came into the world thanks to their parents would have to rank as one of the more irrelevant arguments I've ever seen on an AfD. The team is part of the school, not the team members parents; the accomplishments of the team are the accomplishments of the school. Alansohn 16:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, by my logic any accomplishment by a school can be trivialized and disregarded. In fact, after all this time on Wikipedia, I'm still anxiously waiting to see my first high school article with actual encyclopedic information about the actual school. And yes, my argument was utterly irrelevant as it was a mere Chewbacca defense against an equally unreasonable argument.--Húsönd 17:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The team is paid for by the school, is staffed by the school, is operated by the school, is named for the school, represents the school, and its members wear uniforms demonstrating their connection to the school and are exclusively students of the school. Articles about the team and its accomplishments refer to the team as representing the school, not their parents or a random amalgamation of players who just so happen to be on the same team. This is no Chewbacca defense; this is reality and an arbitrary attempt to deny it. The team and the school are one and the same -- the team's accomplishments are the school's accomplishments, and ample non-trivial reliable and verifiable sources have been provided to establish their joint notability. Alansohn 17:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, by my logic any accomplishment by a school can be trivialized and disregarded. In fact, after all this time on Wikipedia, I'm still anxiously waiting to see my first high school article with actual encyclopedic information about the actual school. And yes, my argument was utterly irrelevant as it was a mere Chewbacca defense against an equally unreasonable argument.--Húsönd 17:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Contrary to your nomination, notability is claimed and established. The fact that you have taken it upon yourself to ignore it does not make it go away. By this "logic" any accomplishment by a school can be trivialized and disregarded as merely the accomplishments of the individuals or their parents. The team is not sponsored by the parents, and the fact that they are fed and came into the world thanks to their parents would have to rank as one of the more irrelevant arguments I've ever seen on an AfD. The team is part of the school, not the team members parents; the accomplishments of the team are the accomplishments of the school. Alansohn 16:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's an interesting theory, I'm not buying it though. A school is a school, a team is a team. The team players are also fed by their parents, their education is sponsored by their parents, and they even came to this world thanks to their parents. And still that doesn't make the parents notable. Húsönd 16:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The hockey team is run by the school, staffed by the school, supervised by the school, and its team members are part of teh school; The team is a part of the school. A school is not a building; it is the sum total of all its components. Unless the team is unaffiliated with the school, the team's accomplishments are the school's accomplishments. Alansohn 15:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability isn't contagious. If the hockey team is notable then it should have an article of its own. Not the school where it is from, nor the players' parents, nor anything else that is non-notable but happened to have some kind of association with the team.--Húsönd 15:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete agree with above. Don't bother arguing with Alan. Eusebeus 22:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply: Wise advice. I've got Wikipedia policy on my side. Will you be referencing Wikipedia policy as it refers to this article this time, or is this just the usual "no school is notable, regardless of the number and quality of sources" vote? Alansohn 23:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- lol. I believe the next step is that you inform me that my vote is invalid and doesn't count![1]Eusebeus 09:54, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions 1: Answers 0. Will you be referencing Wikipedia policy as it refers to this specific article, or is this just a "no school is notable, regardless of the number and quality of sources" vote? Alansohn 05:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- lol. I believe the next step is that you inform me that my vote is invalid and doesn't count![1]Eusebeus 09:54, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply: Wise advice. I've got Wikipedia policy on my side. Will you be referencing Wikipedia policy as it refers to this article this time, or is this just the usual "no school is notable, regardless of the number and quality of sources" vote? Alansohn 23:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Multiple, independent reliable and verifiable sources demonstrate teh specific claims of notability made for the school. Alansohn 05:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. -- Butseriouslyfolks 08:49, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep. As much as I enjoy disagreeing with Mr. A, I think a state championship confers notability on a school. Minnesota's a big hockey state anyway, so it's like football in Texas. --Butseriouslyfolks 09:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. A state title suffices for notability.--Wizardman 20:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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