Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celiwe Nkambule

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The result was keep. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 23:40, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Celiwe Nkambule

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sources are trivial at best such as [1] and [2]. They both do not meet the 100 words criteria. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:18, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Football, and Africa. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:18, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify (to not say keep) – Found sources → [3][4][5] – Nominator, seeing the current appearance of the article is not enough to nominate. Please, search for sources before doing this type of nominations.--MonFrontieres (talk) 14:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think there is sufficient coverage as indicated by MF. Giant Snowman 18:58, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Passes GNG. Simione001 (talk) 05:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The two articles from the Times of Eswatini count as only one source: not only are they from the same paper (already failing independence from each other), they're by the same author. I do think that their coverage is significant, however. The CAF article is by the governing football association and is therefore not independent from the subject. So we have one SIGCOV source, can someone find another? JoelleJay (talk) 00:14, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 18:19, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep she at least meets GNG, have several mentions in the press about her playing/goals. Nothing substantial, but enough to verify. Oaktree b (talk) 18:34, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How does she meet GNG? She only has one SIGCOV source, and routine mentions do not contribute to GNG or BASIC. The issue is definitely not verifiability. JoelleJay (talk) 20:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per sources found by MonFrontieres which prove her notability in Swaziland. Additionally, she is captain of the Swaziland women's team and I found this source. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Being captain of the Eswatini team has no relevance to her notability, which depends exclusively on how much she is covered by RS that are independent of her and of each other. Right now we have three Times articles that together count as one source of SIGCOV; can you find another by a different newspaper? JoelleJay (talk) 00:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I don't see why the CAF Online source needs to be discounted. If someone had an article in UEFA that showed significant coverage, I believe it would show notability. Same should apply for CAF. It's not as if Nkambule has paid for the coverage or anything. This along with the Times of Swaziland coverage shows that Nkambule has significant coverage in multiple sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If someone had an article in UEFA that showed significant coverage, I believe it would show notability. No, it most certainly would not. Organizations are not independent of their members, full stop. The point isn't (just) that there's the potential for the subject to influence their coverage; it's primarily the fact that orgs are obligated to promote themselves and therefore neither represent the real-world importance of a member nor depict them in a neutral light. Just like a high school administrative newsletter will report in detail on topics relevant to the high school that have no significance elsewhere, and will put the best positive spin on those topics. JoelleJay (talk) 21:11, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify or redirect if appropriate. We have one source of SIGCOV. Multiple are needed to meet GNG. Draftification would allow other editors to look more thoroughly for sources in other newspapers. JoelleJay (talk) 19:21, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.