Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catahoula Creek

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The result was keep. Yunshui ^雲_水 22:07, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Catahoula Creek

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A stream in Mississippi. Unnotable per WP:NGEO. The article only contains two sentences, one stating it's a stream and another about what language the name is derived from. Flori4nKT A L K 00:10, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mississippi-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 00:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 00:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete No you were right in the first place! Merely having a name is not automatic notability – WP:GEOLAND#3 applies, and knowing where the name came from is not significant enough coverage. Reywas92^Talk 01:21, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Please reconsider your vote to delete this encyclopedic entry. The banks of Catahoula Creek were home to the Choctaw long before Europeans arrived. The Hancock County Historical Society mentions this on their website. DavidDelaune (talk) 02:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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• Strong Keep Catahoula Creek is a natural waterway with a long established history: its name can be traced back to the Native American Choctaw people of the southeastern US. Per WP:GEOLAND: Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc." – Gilliam (talk) 01:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

  My god, what crock! That's merely the etymology of the word "Catahoula", same as Catahoula Parish, Louisiana and Catahoula Leopard Dog – you don't know a damn thing about this little creek's history!

The source, citing Louisiana Place-Names of Indian Origin, does NOT say the Choctaw named this creek nor anything about its naming. Having a name and the etymology of such word is NOT information about the natural feature warranting notability! Reywas92^Talk 06:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

• "what crock!" presumably we're not talking about gold here? Coolabahapple (talk) 07:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Keep legally recognized places and natural features are usually presumed to be notable: WP:GEOLAND. DavidDelaune (talk) 01:41, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

According to GEOLAND, "named natural features are often notable". –dlthewave ☎ 16:11, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. This book, which features Catahoula Creek in its study of darters, says Heins & Clemmer (1975) gave a general description of Catahoula Creek. I think they are referring to this paper which does indeed spend a few paragraphs describing the creek. It is also central to their study, which in itself gives the creek notability. Amongst other things, they state that the creek is the main tributary of the Jourdan River, which, while it does not yet have an article, is redlinked from six different articles. This is clearly an area where Wikipedia needs to expand its coverage, not remove it. The page can clearly be expanded into a few paragraphs at least, and if still small, might be merged into a future Jourdan River article. SpinningSpark 02:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep, meets WP:NGEO as a named natural feature, this source from Water Resources Data for Mississippi can be used to verify that Catahoula Creek is officialy recognised as a tributary to Jourdan River, a gsearch under "Jourdan River Catahoula Creek" brings up numerous hits ie. in Environmental Biology of Darters: "Life history of the naked sand darter, Ammocrypta beani, in southeastern Mississippi" (sub required), John C. Stennis Space Center: "Resource Management - Surface Water", Country Roads magazine: "Hunting James Copeland's Lost Treasure - Legend has it there's pirate gold in Catahoula Creek", Bridgehunter.com shows that a number of roads and their bridges cross Catahoula Creek, Copeia: "Ontogeny and Allometry of Body Shape in the Blacktail Shiner, Cyprinella venusta" (sub required). Coolabahapple (talk) 13:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. Per the Watershed Boundary Dataset via The National Map's viewer it drains 415 square kilometres (160 sq mi) and its drainage basin is large enough that the USGS uses it to define a level-5 watershed. It's definitely not tiny. --TimK MSI (talk) 13:57, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - Article is a coatrack of factoids tangentially related to the subject. Majority of sources cover scientific studies of various species in the creek, they're not about the creek itself. Likewise the bit about the Center settlement is about a place that happened to be along the creek. –dlthewave ☎ 16:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Arguing that research into fish in a river is not about the river is stretching a point too far. But even without that, and even without the passage on Center, we are still left with more than nothing. SpinningSpark 16:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

• taking this deletion argument (a bit) further we could suggest that most/all sources on any town/city are about the people/organisations/buildings/features in the said town/city and not about the town/city itself. Coolabahapple (talk) 21:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. Thanks to Spinningspark, the article now contains substantially more encyclopedic information than 'two sentences'. Woodlot (talk) 18:48, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:HEY, excellent work by Spinningspark. Bearian (talk) 17:20, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:HEY by Spinningspark.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.