Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caroline McKenzie

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 13:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Caroline McKenzie[edit]

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No indication of notability. Just like her Ship To Shore costar Heath Miller, there doesn't appear to be any significant coverage about her in any news outlets. Pahiy (talk) 15:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. WP:NACTOR with roles. These got reviewed in mainstream newspapers, [1] (reasonably high billing [2]), [3], [4]. Primary. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No sources about the subject. Xxanthippe (talk) 09:01, 25 October 2019 (UTC).[reply]
Keep per duffbeerforme, and more sources can be added, verifying her roles and reviewing her performances, including in other productions not already included. I have started making a table of the stage performances and will add to the article when it's more complete. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:41, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the article is being improved with extra reliable sources references and supported content so that deletion is no longer necessary imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:15, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete "roles" alone do not make someone notable, they need to be significant roles in notable productions, a threshold not met here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:43, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

prominent theatre roles count and so the threshold is met imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:43, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is no policy that says that prominent theatre roles qualify. Otherwise everybody who had ever played Lady Bracknell in an amateur dramatics production of The Importance of Being Earnest would merit a BLP. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:30, 3 November 2019 (UTC).[reply]

WP:NACTOR. "1.Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Emphasis added. No it doesn't extend to any amateur dramatics production, it needs to be a notable production. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Comment. The first clue I had that something isn't right with the article is that I couldn't find the existence of the Australian National Theatre, but I did find a newspaper article from 2015 lamenting that no such theatre organization yet exists (or has ever existed) in Australia. In short, without some more compelling evidence (ie better sourcing), I don't think WP:NACTOR in provable yet in this article.4meter4 (talk) 13:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I solved the mystery. Please see the updates I made to the article. It looks like "Australia National Theatre Live" should have been the title. It means she was in nationally televised productions from the Perth playhouse. I also discovered she's won and been nominated for some of Australia's major theatre awards (see here). Those nominations indicate notability to me. The article still needs better sourcing, but a tag would be more appropriate than deletion giving the awards.4meter4 (talk) 15:43, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:4meter4, I would suggest it's a third thing. See the list of productions from the mimma link

Godspell, Chicago, Jack The Ripper Show, On Our Selection, A Chorus of Disapproval, Company and Charity Barnum in Barnum (National Theatre Co).

Compare to what was in the wiki page

Godspell, Chicago, The Jack the Ripper Show, On Our Selection, A Chorus of Disapproval, Company and Barnum for the Australian National Theatre Company.

Someone editing the wikipedia page added the "Australian" [5]. The actual mob is National Theatre Inc over time called Perth Repertory Club, The National Theatre of Western Australia Inc and The National Theatre Company Inc. See [6]. Also an extra production for them, Sisterly Feelings, not yet listed can be seen here. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:06, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on the improvements to the article. Lightburst (talk) 20:01, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on Duffbeerforme finds that she has been reviewed for her major roles and meets the requirements for actors. Dream Focus 02:55, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Other articles on stage productions she has been in. For The Crucible - [7].For Sand - [8], [9], [10], "Done and dusted: Can we survive?", The West Australian, 18 June 2014. For Face to Face - Naglazas, Mark (9 August 2004), "Human face of conflict", The West Australian. For Turning - Christmass, Pip (10 November 2008), "Below-par but Turning scores", The West Australian + Borlaug, Odna (4 March 2008), "Turning to earthy look at family life", Western Suburbs Weekly. I make no claim on significance of roles without further investigation. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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