Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carolina Herrera (singer)

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Carolina Herrera (singer)[edit]

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No links for subject, not even clear if she really exists. There is a Venezuelan designer by the same name who is clearly notable. This one has only one link in the article, which is dead. Karmasabtich (talk) 22:51, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG ^{cinco de}L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 23:27, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I initially saw lots of hits using Google, but then discovered that there's a fashion designer by the same name and a Canadian violin and viola player as well. None of the sources I found for this subject help contribute to GNG and presently, the subject doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO. Possibly just WP:TOOSOON. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:36, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. I must admit, I'm quite surprised that previous contributors to this AfD seem to have never heard of Carolina Herrera before... she is a world-famous designer of clothes, accessories and fragrances. Anyway... the subject of this AfD is far less notable. She's played at WOMAD and at London's "La Linea" Latin music festival (the latter was her Queen Elizabeth Hall gig, mentioned in the article), but playing down the running order at world and Latin music festivals doesn't make her particularly notable. Apart from this there have been some sporadic gigs around the UK and Ireland [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] (scroll down to Mary Coughlan's event on Oct 21 to see her mentioned in this last source), but mostly as part of low-key Latin music events, and are little more than event listings. The best references I've found are this one from BBC Mundo (in Spanish) [6] which briefly mentions how she was discovered as a busker, and this review in The Independent of her support slot at a Tania Libertad concert [7]. The worrying thing is that both of these articles are from 2004 (as was her WOMAD gig), and there are almost no credible sources since then, which suggests she didn't become anything more than one of the thousands of budding singers up and down the UK playing the odd support gig, and that fourteen years on from the first media interest in her, she is unlikely to ever be more notable. Richard3120 (talk) 18:29, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Additional comment: I'm a bit puzzled why Iridescent declined attempts to delete this article ten years ago [8], [9] – perhaps there was the same confusion with the fashion designer. Richard3120 (talk) 18:37, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - That would be because it was an absolutely blatant misuse of speedy deletion, and any admin who'd accepted it would—then and now—be at best admonished and likely stripped of the bit for admin abuse. Notability (or the lack thereof) has no bearing on speedy deletion, which is based exclusively on claims of significance, something Carolina Herrera has performed at numerous venues including the Queen Elizabeth Hall, Ronnie Scott's. Momo's, WOMAD festival, Wexford Opera Festival, Cork Jazz Festival and many other places, venues and festivals in England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland even meets in the stricter Wikipedia of the present day, let alone the Wikipedia of a decade ago where we traditionally turned a blind eye to puff-pieces provided they were at least reasonably neutral and the subject wasn't utterly obscure. ‑ Iridescent 18:38, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I didn't realise someone had tried speedy deleting it - yes, you are right, this would fail a speedy or a PROD. Thanks for clearing that up. Richard3120 (talk) 18:47, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete - Only one reference. Fails WP:GNG. 344917661X (talk) 00:06, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I was able to find an archive of the page on the Wayback Machine, so I replaced the dead link with the archived version. 344917661X (talk) 00:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing that 344917661X - there's no indication who the "Andy Morgan" who supplied that information is, whether he was a BBC employee or if it's a user contribution, in which case it wouldn't be a reliable source. Richard3120 (talk) 01:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It really doesn't matter that the source isn't reliable since the article is going to get deleted anyways. But thanks for pointing that out! 344917661X (talk) 12:23 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Delete for failing WP:MUSICBIO notability. Ifnord (talk) 02:41, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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