Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carman Hall (Eastern Illinois University)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Eastern Illinois University. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 22:28, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Carman Hall (Eastern Illinois University)[edit]

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NN college dorm building. Should redirect to the university article where there is a list pf about a dozen other dorms, none with articles. MB 02:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture, Education, and Illinois. MB 02:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nom. Mccapra (talk) 03:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
At the very least this should be a merge. NemesisAT (talk) 07:51, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Nominator has offered no rationale for deletion. The subject meets WP:GNG and having a separate article is beneficial as it allows readers to find the information easier when searching, and when using the "Nearby" feature on mobile. NemesisAT (talk) 07:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I said it was NN; that means Non-Notable or does not meet WP:GNG. MB 14:54, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
merge back to main university article. This is plainly a content fork where the real story is not the dorm; it's the decline in enrollment. Mangoe (talk) 12:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The content is not a fork, I wrote the article from scratch IIRC. NemesisAT (talk) 14:27, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that you wrote it yourself if irrelevant to whether it is a content fork. MB 14:35, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The nominator is incorrect, there is another dorm article (Pemberton Hall (Eastern Illinois University)) linked in the university article. NemesisAT (talk) 21:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is a notable exception because it is on the National Register of Historic Places. The other 10 dorms do not have articles. MB 23:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or redirect - Keep or redirect to Eastern Illinois University, but do not delete history. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There needs to be an essay or other guidance on covering university buildings. There do exist numerous list-articles about buildings and structures at universities (see Category:Lists of university and college buildings in the United States) or about just residences/dormitories (see Category:Lists of university and college residences in the United States). It's often useful to split these out of overall university articles when details and photos would become undue coverage in the university article.

For this university there do exist at least 8 separate articles about individual buildings. How about making a list-article summarizing about those, and covering more that are not obviously individually notable. The standard for eligibility of list-items can be way lower than that required for separate articles. --Doncram (talk) 02:35, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A list could be beneficial for navigation but I don't see how deleting the individual articles would benefit the reader. Another benefit of individual pages is that they can be categorised much more specifically which again benefits the reader. NemesisAT (talk) 17:56, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:NemesisAT, i didn't mean to suggest all the separate articles should be eliminated. They could be summarized though, and coordinates provided, and seen in context together. This one article, which has relatively little content, could perhaps be eliminated though, leaving a redirect to its coverage in list-article.--Doncram (talk) 02:31, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be an objection from the nominator to letting the target page be aware that the merger is proposed, although it would be a requirement that those who might visit a target page be informed for any other form of merger. I won't editwar to replace the template there or here, but rest assured that they are at least notified on their talk page. Kevin McE (talk) 19:21, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Appears to be of minor local interest, therefore non-notable. At most add a couple of sentences to the main article, anything more would distort its significance. Hzh (talk) 20:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Being of minor local interest does not mean it isn't notable. Wikipedia is WP:NOTPAPER, there is no size limit. NemesisAT (talk) 12:21, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTPAPER is irrelevant to this discussion. Some individual notability guidelines state that local entities need to have some significance to be notable (and the use of the word "minor" means that they are not significant). If you grandmother wins a prize in a local cake baking competition and gets mentioned in local newspapers and a student news site (which seem to be the extent of the sources in this article), that won't make her notable. Hzh (talk) 21:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NBUILDING. The article is primarily sourced to The Daily Eastern News which is EIU’s student run paper, and to the EIU housing website which is a primary source. These sources do not count as significant coverage because they lack independence from the university. There are only two independent refs in the article, both from The Journal Gazette; however they are routine coverage and I would not consider them significant per NOTNEWS. Even if they were significant, we still do not have the minimum of three independent references to meet GNG. I also oppose a redirect because this is an unlikely search topic and the building is probably not even worth mentioning in the target article because of issues with WP:Undue weight.4meter4 (talk) 06:51, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.