Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carla van Raay

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) sst✈^(discuss) 18:24, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Carla van Raay[edit]

Doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability (people). No notability is asserted as far as I can see. Three sources, two of which are primary. The only non-primary source is a review from someone who doesn't appear to be notable. -- Kethrus |talk to me 12:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. -- Kethrus |talk to me 12:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. -- Kethrus |talk to me 12:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Sources don't demonstrate sufficient notability. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I simply see no obvious better improvement. Pinging past users Wilhelmina Will and Robofish. SwisterTwister talk 04:01, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources I found about her and her books are:

Dempsey, Dianne (12 April 2008), "Desire", The Age

Carton, Donna (6 August 2006), "I was a NUN for 12 years... but left the convent to become a PROSTITUTE", The Sunday Mirror

Beament, Emily (29 July 2006), "Warts and all true story", Birmingham Post

"Books: AUTOBIOGRAPHY", Coventry Evening Telegraph, 22 July 2006

"Frank tale from nun and prostitute", Leicester Mercury, 19 July 2006

Millington, Ruby (7 July 2006), "Memoirs of a madam and a sex-worker nun", The Daily Express

Dempsey, Dianne (3 April 2004), "MEMOIR", The Age

Gill, Harbant (27 March 2004), "Beyond belief", Herald-Sun

Miraudo, Nadia (7 March 2004), "Spiritual journey from nun to callgirl", Sunday Times (Perth)

Clark, Lucy (27 March 2004), "Troubled path of a confused soul", Sunday Telegraph

Laurie, Victoria (21 February 2004), "Sister Double Act", The Australian Magazine

Simpson, Gavin (2 August 2003), "God's call girl.", The West Australian

Those with access can get more from AustLit eg. Enough for GNG. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:21, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 05:18, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

delete would WP:BLP1E apply here. She is only known for one thing. LibStar (talk) 05:46, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn't apply. A book is not an event. Coverage around that first book was maintained over an extended period, from over six months before it's release to years afterwards. She has coverage for more than one book. She maintained a profile to help publicise her books and for her work as a "counsellor, speaker and workshop leader" ("Carla shares lifes lessons", Comment News, 13 May 2008). duffbeerforme (talk) 07:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another review of her second book -- Elder, Bruce (13 May 2008), "In short Nonfiction", The Sydney Morning Herald

Some online coverage BBC, Trouw

Dutch review of first book -- van de Ven, Door Jace (19 February 2005), "De lange weg terug van Carla van Raay", Brabants Dagblad

Coverage of a public lecture in the Netherlands -- van de Ven, Door Jace (12 March 2005), "'Ik heb nog bij jou in de klas gezeten'", Brabants Dagblad

Also reviewed in Issue Details: no. 263 August 2004 of Australian Book Review [1].

Multiple translations exist. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

Her first book has clearly "won significant critical attention" WP:AUTHOR and has sold over 300,000 copies. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable as an author. I don't generally support using the GNG when it yields a result opposed to common sense, but it certainly does have a major role, as it does here, where it supports a common-sense decision in contrast to various quibbles,such as an attempt to extend BLP1E way beyond its intended meaning. DGG ( talk ) 03:14, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. as per DGG. Eden's Apple (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep generally our AUTHOR and similar guidelines are constructed to more or less consider coverage of works of a writer/artist as coverage of the artist, the topics tend to be pretty intermingled. (One can see AUTHOR as a reframing of GNG rather than an exception to it. In any case, that's been our usual practice.) DGG's comments on BLP1E are also on-point. Sources provided by Duffbearforme appear sufficient. --joe decker ^talk 06:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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