Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carl Halle

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Reich Debt Administration. The redirects can be undone if it turns out that these men are more notable than it seems and if their articles can be expanded correspondingly. Sandstein 19:54, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Halle

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Three biographies of government bureaucrats, not reliably sourced as passing our inclusion criteria for government bureaucrats. The role listed here (same role at different times) is not an "inherently" notable one that would guarantee a Wikipedia article just because they existed, so getting them into Wikipedia would depend on sourcing them over WP:GNG -- but all three are referenced to the same two sources, an unreliable WordPress blog and a glancing namecheck of their existence on one page of a magazine article that isn't about any of them, so none of them have been shown to pass GNG at all. As I can't read German, I'm willing to withdraw this if someone who can read German can find much more substantial and GNG-worthy sourcing than this, but neither of these sources are sufficient in and of themselves. Bearcat (talk) 13:38, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Germany. Bearcat (talk) 13:38, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment based on a quick search I doubt these individuals are notable. What I could do is translate the de.wiki article Reichsschuldenverwaltung and mention its directors so they can all be redirected there as an ATD. Mccapra (talk) 17:37, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now created at Reich Debt Commission if anyone wants to work on it. Mccapra (talk) 21:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The corresponding German Wikipedia articles list, but do not cite, multiple print sources in German. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 21:58, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as ATD to Reich Debt Commission if there is no consensus to keep. Mccapra (talk) 21:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have no opinion on the notability of the subject, but a Google Books search for the name seems to overwhelmingly show it near the top as an alternative spelling of the original name of Charles Hallé. Some thought needs to go into what we do with this title, whether the article is kept or deleted or merged or redirected. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:16, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Phil those are two different people. Halle (b.1863) was a lawyer and banker. Hallé (b.1819) was a musician. Mccapra (talk) 11:56, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

sorry on rereading I see you realise that and are just talking about the title, not the person. Mccapra (talk) 11:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(after edit conflict) Yes, I know. I thought that was clear from my previous comment. Whatever happens to the banker's article we need to think about redirect or disambiguation targets becuse this name seems to be most commonly used to refer to the musician. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:01, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:15, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Mccapra. It is unlikely his notability extends beyond the holding of this one post. Not going to make a standalone article. The German article does not have very much more. It says where he went to school and that he held a similar post in the Prussian civil service prior to 1924 (essentially this was just carrying on doing the same job for the German state after Prussia ceased to exist). SpinningSpark 19:58, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, Spinningspark are you voicing support for all three articles to be redirected to Reich Debt Commission? Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't even noticed it was a multiple nomination. Sorry for the senior citizen incompetence. I'll have to look at the others later, but probably going to be the same. SpinningSpark 05:55, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Sydow per Mccapra. Not so sure about von Hoffmann. According to his de.wiki article he won the Order of the Red Eagle (Prussia's second highest military award) during the Austro-Prussian War, and he was raised to the Prussian hereditary nobility in 1883. His article can clearly be expanded substantially. Currently it only has the dates of his directorship, so nothing much is lost by redirecting, but it might be worthwile leaving the article in place (keep) to make expansion easier for anyone interested in doing so. SpinningSpark 06:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist to get a firm consensus about all three articles. Or a lukewarm consensus and this can have a mixed outcome. Or do you believe this AFD bundle should be broken up?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect all von Hoffmann can easily be un-redirected in future in sources are found for the other achievements. MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.