Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cari Roccaro

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The result was no consensus. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:56, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cari Roccaro[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested on the grounds that she had played for the US U20 team. However, WP:NSPORT explicitly excludes this as a source of notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following article for similar reasons. In this case the PROD was contested on the grounds that Ms Capbell had been called to the US national team, but since she didn't actually play this does not confer notability either. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - both fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 14:59, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - With recent expansion of article and citations, clearly passes WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Hmlarson (talk) 03:59, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Both. Jane Campbell is a clear GNG and NFOOTY failure, though looks to be one of them any players that go through AfD that will ultimately have their own article once their professional carreer actually starts. Cari Roccaro is a better sourced article, but many of the references are passing references to transfers and there are only a couple that could be described as anything other than cursory. She seems very close to the cusp of GNG, but not quite yet. Would have no issue with either article being recreated in time. Fenix down (talk) 09:17, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Should keep both - Cari Roccaro was created when she was in high-school, and Jane Campbell is still in high-school. Notability is not temporary as indicated by GNG. Many web references and news can be found for both these players via internet, using different search websites. Images of Cari Roccaro are found on http://commons.wikipedia.org in the form of group photographs of the U20 team winning the 2012 FIFA U20 Women's World Cup. While there is no free image of Jane Campbell, many images exist. I suggest that Jane Campbell (soccer) article not be deleted just because photographers make a living with their skill. The content are all accrate and fully sourced, and the articles should be kept. The objections had centered around the players' youth and lack of fully-professional league to play in. I recommend keeping these articles on notability. They are no less notable than other young players: Zakiya Bywaters and Adrianna Frach. I noticed Bywaters has a new article, and article on Franch was recently restored.

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid keep rationale. This applies as much to other articles as to images of the subjects. The sources available for these women are routine sports journalism making them insufficient for WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:40, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Totally agree with SirS. Additionally, there seems to be confusion here as to what consitutes notability. It is a long held consensus at WP:FOOTY that representation at youth international level does not automatically confirm notability, so the arguement that notability is not temporary, is not really relevant here. Other players may have articles, and it seems there is a case for them to be considered for AfD, not the other way around. Fenix down (talk) 08:11, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Convinced Cari Roccaro passes WP:GNG. Sources exist like [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]. In addition to these sources, she is mentioned in a large number of soccer related news sites. YouTube search indicates she appears to have been interviewed by television stations. --LauraHale (talk) 19:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Articles meets WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO criterias.--SirEdimon (talk) 22:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Neither of these young ladies meets our notability requirements just yet. When considering the notability of an athlete that has not yet competed professionally or at the highest level of their sport coverage must be exceptional to meet WP:GNG. The sources brought up in this discussion are local coverage. these are explicitly excluded under Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#High school and pre-high school athletes. J04n(talk page) 11:17, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep for Cari Roccaro, if LauraHale's better cited sources (the non-local ones, which may not violate WP:ROUTINE) are added to the article; if they were there in the first place, we might not be here. Miniapolis 22:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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