Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capt. Price

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is a consensus to keep and I see no policy reason not to have a disamb page. In any case, the purpose of disamb pages is to assist the reader and since some people think it will be useful, and at worst it is harmless I see no grounds to delete. I will also move the page as suggested and remove the sports captains since there is no need to create extra work by having a separate move discussion. Just Chilling (talk) 15:13, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Capt. Price

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Per WP:PTM, "a disambiguation page is not a search index" and there is no need to list all captains with the name of "Price". _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:16, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 14:18, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be an ordinary regular disambiguation page, such as Wikipedia has thousands of. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:19, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Doesn't really answer the question of why it is needed. Disambiguation pages prevent confusion between article names, not job titles._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:24, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Captain Price and add a hatnote there ... ~~No I'll do myself in a moment~~ ... We don't have dab pages for "Professor Smith" or "Doctor Wong", and don't need this one. If we did need it, then Captain Smith (disambiguation) would be a better title. PamD 15:44, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, there's already a hatnote pointing to this dab page. I suggest it should point instead to Price (surname). PamD 15:48, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is an ordinary regular disambig page between several people who all may on occasion be referred to as "Captain Price". "Redirect to Captain Price and add a hatnote there": No; that would be a very overloaded bulky hatlink. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:55, 23 June 2019 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Anthony Appleyard (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]
- Again, if we kept this, we may as well have a page for "Doctor John" or "Farmer Joe". However, disambiguations are not a search index. They are only meant to sort similar article names regardless of their content._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 11:21, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There are also Justice Smith (disambiguation), Justice Brown (disambiguation), etc. lists floating around too. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- If one wanted to search by name, they merely need to type "Justice Brown" into the search box on Wikipedia and it will come up with those. They are not how disambiguation pages are supposed to work, as far as I can tell._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 00:33, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Just to be clear, I want those deleted too. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:50, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - This was an excellent reply. I learned something.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:08, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - Unfortunately, it doesn't work, however. bd2412 T 02:57, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the content, possibly move to Captain Price (disambiguation) (and redirect the undisambiguated title to Captain Price). It would be an error to delete useful titles and count on our problematic search function, which will return every article containing the words "Captain" and "Price" with badly jumbled results burying those most relevant to a search for people who might actually be called "Captain Price". This is even more significant with respect to the "Justice" disambiguation pages, because Justice is actually an occasional given name, rather than a title. See, for example, Justice Smith, Justice Howard, Justice Hill, Justice Chambers, Justice John Erhenede, Justice Samuel Adjei, Justice Dipeba, Justice Leak, and even the stage names Justice Pain and Justice Yeldham.

Even setting those aside, it is common practice in the real world for court opinions and other sources to references justices by their title and surname. These references have frequently made their way into articles, complete with links. Prior to the existence of these disambiguation pages, bad links proliferated, and no one knew they were bad. Eliminating them will lead to more bad links, but they will be much harder to find and fix.

There is also a danger of inconsistency. Are we going to delete existing redirects also, such as Justice Scalia, Justice Rehnquist, and Justice Brandeis? If we keep those redirects, do we also keep Justice Kennedy - and if so, do we stick the other four State Supreme Court Justices, plus one Chief Justice of Ireland, all named Kennedy, in a hatnote? And while we're at it, what about the rest of the 1,000+ pages in Category:Title and name disambiguation pages? Are we going to delete Admiral Halsey, Emperor Xuan, Baron Grey, General Chang, King Edward, Lord Baltimore, Saint Lucius, President Johnson, Queen Elizabeth, and Pope Benedict? This is a discussion that requires substantially more consideration than has been offered thus far. bd2412 T 10:02, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but remove the sports team captains, since theirs is not a rank, and they are much less often going to be referred to or searched for this way. For people who hold a rank or office where they are addressed by their title, this is the best way to prevent confusion between them. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 19:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:37, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The question to ask here is not whether this is listing pages of similar names, and hence qualifies as a dab page. Rather, the question should be whether it is likely that "Captain Price" might be all the information on the name that the reader has. For instance, I can remember that the Titanic was captained by Captain Smith, but I have no idea (at least till I followed that link) what his given name was. Why make it harder for me to find that page? There have been many, many examples in my WP career where I have needed to find a person by surname only. Finding the captain of the Titanic through Smith (surname) takes forever. SpinningSpark 15:48, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, this may qualify as a WP:set index rather than a dab. SpinningSpark 15:54, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Considering the odd status of SIAs, my preference would be to keep these as disambiguation pages. Incoming links to these pages do need to be flagged and fixed, since there will typically only be one correct "Captain Smith" or "Captain Price" referenced. I would also prefer that their contents be required to conform with the policies for inclusion in disambiguation page. bd2412 T 02:25, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a perfectly useful disambiguation page. Additionally, strong support for the above suggestions to move to Captain Price (disambiguation) and remove sports team captains as they would never be known by the term 'Captain Price'. Hugsyrup (talk) 13:23, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I also agree with the removal of team captains, and I note, in fact, that our article at Team captain is itself very short and underdeveloped. We have nothing in the way of a freestanding list of people who have been the team captains of the various professional sports teams. That sort of thing might be a better place to house any kind of list of people who have been captain of a team. bd2412 T 01:46, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Agree with removing team captains. but I don't agree with adding to Team captain. That would be, potentially, a long and sprawling list of no use to anyone. That kind of information belongs with the team in question. A list of England football captains at England national football team is fine (but even that is broken out into a separate list), a list of all captains is WP:NOTDIRECTORY. SpinningSpark 00:29, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a useful disambig page Lightburst (talk) 17:38, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Captain Price (disambiguation) as suggested by bd2412 and Hugsyrup. Abecedare (talk) 18:41, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.