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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:32, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Camila Krysicka Janniger[edit]

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A tricky one, but after careful consideration I have decided to submit to the Community for deletion discussion.

  1. The article is written like an advertisement: plenty of fantastic claims but none backed up. No third-party sources, to be clear.
  2. The subject does not fulfill WP:NACADEMIC, at least in the light of the statements and sources. She is not a chair or editor of any "major, well-established academic journal" (the mentioned Cutis is none such thing - it does not even have an impact factor Correction: it had an impact factor but so low that they omitted it from their website; and she was only a "section editor".). Her only claim to honorary membership is "member honoris causa" of "Kuwait Society of Dermatology" which however has no Internet presence if it at all exists.
  3. The subject's only other claim to significance would be one where she is mentioned as "co-founder" of the Independent Students' Union. However, that article paints a different picture of the Union and its founding and does not mention Krysicka (nor her university) at all. Again an unsourced claim.
  4. The three references to academic journals are bordering refspam - not sure what they are to prove (WP:PRIMARY). Of course, I don't need to say that having published in an academic journal does not automatically entitle to a Wikipedia article.

See also here: [1]

All in all, I believe the article fails to prove the lady's notability either as an academic or as a political activist.

Worth noting that the article was created by Thetrentrip (talk · contribs · count), doubtlessly a WP:SPA.

Hence, delete. — kashmiri TALK 23:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. According to Duplication Detector from wmflabs.org this might be a rehash of the subject's own CV from www.cosmeticmedicine.education webpage. [2] Poeticbent talk 14:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Thanks for the link. cosmeticmedicine.education domain is actually owned by Camila Janniger [3]. I wouldn't be surprised if the main contributor was someone of the Janniger family, a family that has been unusually strongly promoted on Wikipedia. — kashmiri TALK 15:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep. It appears as if Kashmiri has an unhealthy obsession with the family of one Polish politician. There are no fantastic claims in the article.
  1. Cutis is a fully indexed academic journal. It was established in 1965 and it has an impact factor since 1992. [4] [5]
  2. The Kuwait Society of Dermatologists is the national society of Kuwait in her specialty. It is part of the International League of Dermatological Societies. [6]
  3. The Independent Students' Union Wikipedia article does not mention AMW and its students. However, in another citation her university was mentioned, but none of the members except one (Polish Health Minister Konstanty Radziwiłł) was listed. [7]
Aionyann (talk) 18:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fighting wikispam often involves going through an editor's contributions to various articles, I do it routinely with hundreds of articles (have over 2,000 on my watchlist). Your accusations of "obsession" are laughable at best.
Cutis - had such a low impact factor (last one was mere 0.7!) that they preferred not to mention it anywhere on their website. Now compare with requirements of NACADEMIC: "The person is or has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area." Head of section of a clearly minor, hardly notable journal is not included.
I stand by my assessment that there is no indication that a Kuwait Society of Dermatology exists at all. The website of the Kuwait Society of Dermatologists (www.ksd-derma.org) exists but appears to have been offline for a long time, with no cached version available anywhere. No relevant links lead there, at least according to Google. ksd-derma.org domain is registered to a private person (although I am aware this is more of an indication than a proof). The address is a PO box, and the official phone number is a mobile telephone. In short, the whole Kuwaiti affair fails badly short of "a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association" that NACADEMIC requires.
As for your other comments, they do nothing to help with establishing the subject's notability - she still remains not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. — kashmiri TALK 21:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am confused - are you saying that because there is no proof that she was not a co-founder of NZS we should consider this claim likely? Ridiculous. As I said above, this seems like a hoax-claim. Produce a reliable supporting reference if you want to prove me wrong. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:14, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Your point is well taken. Hence, here is the proof from the TVN24 channel. "His parents are a pair of recognized dermatologists. The mother, Kamila Krysicka Janniger, a Pole, graduated in the 80s from the Medical University of Warsaw. She was also a co-founder and an activist of the Independent Students' Union at the university. After graduation, she went on to practice in the United States, where she met American Robert A. Schwartz, also a dermatologist. They are experts in the study, among others, of skin tumors, mainly Kaposi's sarcoma." [8] Aionyann (talk) 14:50, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sounds like based on the Wikipedia article. — kashmiri TALK 14:56, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would be careful of w:citogenesis here, too. But it can probably be sourced to the subject's homepage ([9]), and anyway, I just realized I was making an error: I was reading this as "co-founder of Independent Students' Union" where in fact it is "co-founder of Independent Students' Union chapter at a particular university", a claim that even if true (and for this I am willing to AGF even) is not sufficient to satisfy WP:N. I stand by my delete: nothing here seems to make her pass WP:BIO. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:33, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, basically. The article lacks proof of notability and the claims presented (here and in the article) don't make for notability anyway. A mention on a TV show (which may well be pulled from Wikipedia in the first lace), a few endorsements by pharmaceutical companies and organizations (I guess--lacks secondary sourcing and explanation), and editing a journal don't add up to notability. It is possible that her publications, if proven to be of significant importance to the field, can help make her notable--but for now we have a puff piece. Drmies (talk) 13:06, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The sources do not support the claim in the opening that she has had a major impact in her field. Being a co-founder of the Independent Students Union at her university is not enough to establish notability. Being the founding or otherwise section editor of an academic journal does not establish notability, only being the editor-in-chief does. So she does not meet any notability criteria for an academic.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:46, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as there's simply still nothing, however this may be detailed and sourced, for any solid notability and therefore a solidly acceptable article. SwisterTwister talk 07:04, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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