Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cameron Belford

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 18:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cameron Belford

Fails WP:BIO as never having played in a fully professional league. If he does play in a professional league, the article can be recreated. Delete until then. robwingfield ^«T•C» 23:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Ok well true this player has never played a professional league game, although he plays for a league team, and im sure if you go though a few of the fringe players and young players who signed contracts for this season, you will probably find they havn't actually played a professional league game either, so why don't you have a little look though all them as well, seen as you have nothing better to do, oh your a man of steel on wikipedia ain't you, the deleting articles man "Robwingfield", you should get a life me old mucka, oh well at least the Ludovic Quistin article will continue to remain as it should, enjoy your deletions important man. Stew jones 23:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please be civil, Stew jones, and note that all subjects must be notable to warrant an ecycopedic article. For footballers, the criteria is that he must have "played in a fully professional league' per WP:BIO. --Malcolmxl5 23:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If the Conference League is not fully professional (and I'm not sure of this), he fails WP:BIO and should be deleted, as that is the highest league in which he has played a game. It'd be funny though if he went on to represent England and this AfD discussion was brought up... --Mkativerata 23:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Conference is not fully professional. The article can easily be restored by an admin should he ever play in a league higher than that (or for England!) --Malcolmxl5 23:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in that case. --Mkativerata 23:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'd probably go for keep. Okay, he hasn't made a league start but he does have a squad number and could start in the near future. Peanut4 23:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment But having a squad number is not the test for WP:SPORT: 'A player who signs for a domestic team but has not played in any games is not deemed to have participated in a competition therefore they aren't notable.' --Mkativerata 23:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Okay, I'll concede on that then and be swayed towards delete. Peanut4 23:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah lets delete ay gents, power surge, send it to the scrap heap, after all its only somebodies hard work making the article, who cares. One thing I have noticed and really must point out is that current Middlesbrough players Graeme Owens and Jonathan Grounds both havn't made a professional league appearance, so does that mean they both have to get the deletion treatment also Stew jones 23:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Owens won the FA Youth Cup. That may establish general notability even though he would fail WP:SPORT, so he might not need to be deleted. Grounds I'm not so sure about (was he in the FA Youth Cup winning team?). Remember, the hard work that went into the articles up for deletion does not necessarily go to waste. It can be restored if and when they satisfy the clear and considered policy guidelines in WP:SPORT. It highlights the importance of checking the relevant notability criteria before writing an article. --Mkativerata 23:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - WP:SPORT is a rejected policy/guideline. Smashville 19:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply to Stew Jones Well, yes. Go ahead and nominate Owens and Grounds for deletion for that reason. Wikipedia cannot be a repository of information about every person in the world. A line has to be drawn somewhere and for footballers, it's having played in a fully professional league. --Malcolmxl5 00:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Has not played in a fully professional league. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply to Malcolmxl5 I don't need to go round deleting other peoples work to make myself feel better, it really doesn't bother me that Graeme Owens and Jonathan Grounds don't meet the standards, I would rather praise the person who made these articles, and give them credit for taking the time to make these articles. I don't get my kicks off deleting other peoples hard work. Stew jones 17:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Stew. Something like 5,000 articles are deleted every day because they do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia. If you are you objecting to articles being deleted solely because someone has put hard work into them then you are probably in the wrong project. --Malcolmxl5 21:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep although this player has not "yet" made an appearance for Bury, I'm sure it is only a short matter of time before he does. Is there any point in deleting off a page that will be restored in a few weeks... come on guys, surely you've got better things to be doing with your lifes... well I hope so anyway! Jonesy702 17:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, player in a club in England's fourth-highest league would qualify as notable in my book. Stifle (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:BIO sets the bar of notability and hence inclusion in the encyclopedia as having played in a fully professional league. Cameron Belford has never played a game in a fully professional league. Arguments that someone's 'hard work' is being destroyed are not tenable. Crystal balling, predicting that he will play in a few weeks times (he is third choice goalkeeper, by the way), is not an arguement based on sound reasoning or evidence. Being 'in' a club without ever having played in a professional league is not a criteria for notability that you wil find in WP:BIO. This one is a very definite delete. --Malcolmxl5 21:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I agree with Stew's comment about the hard work that has gone into this article, some of which is my own. But what some people need to think about here, is this play is a "full time, professional league player", whether or not he has made an appearance "yet" shouldn't decide whether page should stay or go. I believe this players page should remain as he is a full time player - if he is released by the club and ends up with a team lower that League Two, then by all means delete him off, but only if he hasn't made a league appearance. Jonesy702 18:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.