Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Calma Carmona

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 09:23, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Calma Carmona

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Queried speedy delete. It was speedy-delete-tagged by User:89.154.149.145 for "It doesn't fulfill the criteria for singers and musicians on Wikipedia, and keeps containing personal promotion and advertising, without objective point of view" (and tagged {{Autobiography|date=December 2017}}, {{Advert|date=December 2017}}, {{Peacock|date=December 2017}}). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep provided edits to the article corresponding with the inline requests are acceptable. The subject is clearly notable, and the quotations are from published sources, however the original article appears to have been created as a promotional bio. This article came to notice during the construction independently of an article on 'Derek Williams (musician)' currently in the 'Chrisdevelop' Sandbox in the context of the subject's connection with Calma Carmona as performer for the notable Whisky brand Glenfiddich to record a video ad with the notable Scottish Opera orchestra, that gained 1.7 million hits on YouTube. At that point, there were several flags already within the text of the article alerting editors to language, arguably self-promotional, that was not corroborated with appropriate citations. To save the article, the flagged quotations were either deleted if they could not be sourced, or verified with citations linking to the article where the author of the language could be identified and quoted. Chrisdevelop (talk)

@Anthony Appleyard: The article has now been edited to address the flagged issues (removal of extraneous weblinks, tightening up language and relocation of useful links to citations). Please provide feedback on whether the issues have been adequately addressed. The inserted notifications have been left in place pending feedback. Chrisdevelop (talk)

It is rather unclear what the deletion rationale from the nominator is. Are you, @Anthony Appleyard:, saying that you support deletion on the grounds stated or are you simply enabling a discussion on behalf of an unregistered editor? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

At "Queried speedy delete." I merely decided that the deletion request needed to be discussed. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:44, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@89.154.149.145:@Anthony Appleyard:@86.17.222.157:@Babymissfortune: Autobiography, Advert and Peacock flags, and the large number of external links appear to have been the original reasons for speedy deletion. Please provide feedback on whether the recent edits have satisfactorily addressed these issues. Seems odd to have a Speedy Delete for an article for which notability was already established by surviving the NPP, and there has been no subsequent input from the Speedy Deletion nominator. Chrisdevelop (talk)

Very Weak Keep- The sourcing in the article is poor. Outside of the Vibe Magazine article, I don't think there's much to establish notability (everything else is eitheir not well-known or not reliable). However, I also found this NPR article [1]. With that there's barely enough for her to meet WP:NMUSICIAN #1 in my opinion.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:39, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Added. Chrisdevelop (talk)

Also found and added another album released on AllMusic, Amor Millonario (2011). Have also added Apple Music songs, where there are quite a few more albums, and a list of Top Songs to the Discography. Chrisdevelop (talk)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:40, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Enough coverage to establish notability. I'm not convinced an AfD discussion is required just because of some dodgy speedy tagging by an anonymous editor. --Michig (talk) 09:04, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that an AfD discussion is not required just because of some dodgy speedy tagging, but it would be just as unrequired if the dodgy speedy tagging was by a logged-in editor. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 20:18, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. --Michig (talk) 20:22, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

However without this AfD discussion, the article would presumably have sunk without trace following speedy deletion. Chrisdevelop (talk)

Speedy keep. The nominator has not advanced any support for deletion, so this qualifies for WP:SK#1. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 20:18, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed Chrisdevelop (talk)

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