Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CFC – Youth for Christ

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The result was delete. No significant independent coverage. Most sources provided pertained to other organizations or were self-promotions. No prejudice toward writing a new article from reliable sources. Mackensen (talk) 20:57, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CFC – Youth for Christ[edit]

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Non-notable "youth branch" of a barely notable organization itself. Few ref's to try to even suggest any form of notability. Although possibly a noble goal, Wikipedia is not a place for noble organizations that lack notability (✉→BWilkins←✎) 22:28, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG with no significant coverage in reliable sources - all mentions are extremely trivial, and several of the small number of news hits (which themselves are mostly WP:ROUTINE announcements of upcoming events) actually appear to be paid listings. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:51, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I haven't established my vote yet but Google News archives found several results from the Philippines, confirming the existence there. I think two of the results, this and this are particularly helpful because they provide information about the group's history. One of the other results here suggests the group was introduced in Africa as well. SwisterTwister talk 06:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I plan to go through these results later and see if I can establish my vote. I found this news article from 2003 that mentions Youth for Christ has 200,000 members so this may be significant. SwisterTwister talk 06:13, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:50, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - I can confirm that Couples for Christ and its youth branch Youth for Christ are quite prominent in the Philippines, or at least have a relatively large membership (I know plenty of friends and relatives who are members of CFC). I'm surprised that there seems to be little coverage for either given CFC's popularity (hence the "weak" part of my !vote), but there's the news article which seems to confirm the large membership number. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:41, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I am not seeing significant coverage. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:50, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In my experience, this is a significant organization. Couples for Christ is certainly very significant. It founded Gawad Kalinga among other things. I regularly see the "CFC - Youth for Christ" stickers. This site [1] says they have 200,000 members in over 100 countries, though most are in the Philippines. --Bruce Hall (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Couples for Christ. YFC's notability is derived from its association with CFC, and without it, it's not even notable for a section. It's activities (and influence) aren't as expansive as its mother organization, which is quite little to begin with. –H T D 20:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - a boat that can float! (happy holidays) 16:01, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; after look at the reliable sources (web & news) out there the subject appears to be notable per WP:GNG and/or WP:ORG.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - the Google searches linked above appear to be more relevant to Youth for Christ, a Protestant organization, whereas CFC – Youth for Christ is decidedly Catholic. Quantumobserver (talk) 17:22, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Notability is well established --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 08:47, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There being only one cited source doesn't show notability. Besides, this Article is so sloppy that even if the subject did turn out to be notable, it would be better to write a new Article from scratch than to try editing this mess into anything good (like polishing manure at this point). Don't get me started on the grammatical errors and the fact that a red link to a non-existent image file is said to be the organization's logo. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 08:52, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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