Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CARS24

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The result was no consensus. Some plausible sources were provided, but no clear consensus emerged on whether or not the sources are adequate to establish notability. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 20:21, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CARS24

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All the references (including the Hindu Business Line, Financial Express and ET ones) in the article on this unlisted company are either interviews or funding/launch announcements. Unable to find any coverage independent and substantial enough for WP:NCORP through search engines, so bringing here. hemantha (brief) 03:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Comment~~ Keep found some Bloomberg [1] and Nikkei [2][3] coverage. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 00:49, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update to change to keep. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 09:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep with the Bloomberg and Nikkei links of Lerdsuwa above. Gusfriend (talk) 06:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What makes you think they are independent enough for WP:NCORP? Bloomberg article has "he said" for every para on the company (rest are about DST or general notes on India). Same with the latest Nikkei - there isn't a single para that's not a quote or a restatement of company line. I hit paywall for the other, but if it's the same as this, it's a routine funding announcement which NCORP explicitly bars. hemantha (brief) 10:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep i think this article should stay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TzarN64 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ILIKEIT. Pilaz (talk) 12:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TzarN64, can you explain why you believe this article needs to be kept? ASTIG️🎉 _{(HAPPY 2022)} 15:15, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: as per Hemantha. They are correct, sources are masquerading as journalistic pieces. Most of them (in fact, all of them) are coordinated PR work. It's high time for us to reassess these Indian media sources, especially the business news editons of WP:THEHINDU and WP:INDIANEXP. - Hatchens (talk) 16:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: will not consider Nikkei Asia Review articles as independent ones because, it is the same group which manages Nikkei 225 at Tokyo Stock Exchange where the SoftBank Group is listed, the primary investor of CARS24.(proof). It is quite evident that WP:COI is overlapping all over and intentionally the information related to SoftBank has been omitted in the page. We're witnessing extremely smart Wikipedia editing. -Hatchens (talk) 16:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then how about this interview by NYSE [4], would it be considered independent? (Softbank might owns some stocks listed in US too but not sure about this.) I think the argument goes too far. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 04:28, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lerdsuwa: NYSE doesn't operate or fund any media news portal (unlike Nikkei). They have there own in-house news dissemination process and their Youtube channel is just a part of it. But, if someone wants to quote and cite a youtube channel or a video, then one has to read WP:NOYT essay and take a call accordingly because there are many caveats. -Hatchens (talk) 05:13, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Article is good enough to pass WP:NCORP with reliable sources indicated by Gusfriend. ASTIG️🎉 _{(HAPPY 2022)} 15:15, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:52, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a company/organization therefore NCORP guidelines apply. I'm assuming all the sources are reliable and the publishers are corporately independent from the topic organization - but there's more requirements than that for establishing notability. WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. Not a single reference either mentioned above or in the article meet the criteria, volume of "coverage" often means an absense of quality references. Topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 18:44, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep informat enough with no advertising unlike many currently written corp pages — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azuredivay (talk • contribs) 2022-02-17T12:41:30 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep meets WP:NCORP. This new article by Khaleej Times provides significant coverage. ❯❯❯Pravega^g=9.8 07:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
An article credited to "A staff reporter", with text like "CARS24 is revolutionising", 4/10 paragraphs being quotes of CEO and no indication they've talked to anyone else cisn't WP:INDEPENDENT enough for NCORP. Hemantha (talk) 11:14, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The first sentence of that article acknowledges that it is based on a company announcement. Here is the *exact* same article with the same photo published in a Gulf News. Here is the *exact* same article in GadgetVote and again the *exact* same article in GCC Business. Fails ORGIND therefore fails NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 13:42, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment So far, none of the Keep !votes have put forward any references that meets NCORP criteria for establishing notability. Can someone post the best WP:THREE references so they can be evaluated against NCORP please? HighKing⁺⁺ 13:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed mine to Keep, if it really matters that mine is a comment or keep vote. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 09:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep agree that enough credible citations exists. I don't agree that announcements aren't acceptable. They would not be if it is copy/pasted as provided by a company or press release, but if it is reworded and contains info about the company other than an announcement, then it should be OK. These sources provided by prior editor Lerdsuwa seem good [5], [6] and [7]. Zeddedm (talk) 21:43, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks in-depth coverage to establish that WP:NCORP is met. MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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