Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cúram Software

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep: nomination withdrawn, no remaining deletes. Will have a go at translating it into English based on the sources. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cúram Software

Delete Article fails to establish notability. References are company-generated promotional. Bardcom (talk) 10:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC) Withdraw nomination - Sunday business post article meets requirements and establishes notability. --Bardcom (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article could use some wikifying but I came accoss [1]. I figure if HP recognises this software and IBM recognises it here [2] and here [3]... it passes WP:N. --Pmedema (talk) 10:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Actually, your references indicate that Curam have joined the "Developer Programs" of both HP and IBM. Part of the package of joining means you get listed in their "Solution Catalogs" - so no, these references do nothing to indicate notability, and do not mean that either IBM or HP "recognise" the software, etc. Again, these are company-generated promotional references. --Bardcom (talk) 11:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 13:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete, strongly, possible speedy delete~~. A maker of non-consumer software with no showing of particular importance. It's chief product is — guess what! — a "business application suite." What's it do? According to the article, it is an enterprise platform that provides a technical flexibility to allow social enterprise agencies to implement solutions to meet both short-term and strategic objectives. Do you know what it does now? Neither do I. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral, see below. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 22:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Cúram's main business right now seems to be selling systems for governments to manage their welfare programs. According to this article they are the vendor for the State of Utah's largest IT project, and New York and Wisconsin use their software on a smaller scale. That's a third-party source, not just a corporate press release. I think it makes Cúram notable. Someone needs to add the info to the article, not delete it. Ntsimp (talk) 16:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: selling systems for governments to manage their welfare programs - if whoever first wrote this article had written that, we might not be here. I'm still not sure that every supplier of software to a government is notable, but it certainly suggests involvement in public affairs that might lead to notice in reliable, third party sources. If the writer had actually described the software and the nature of the business, rather than giving us buzzwords and evasive abstractions, I might have given it a closer look. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 22:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It may not be Microsoft, but it is a software company. Who they sell their main product to is irrelevant to whether or not the page should be kept. Personally, I would like to have data like this in Wikipedia. Cowgod14 (talk) 17:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Some references to meet WP:CORP: articles about the company in the Sunday Business Post [4] and The Irish Times [5]. There is also an article about the company from Enterprise Ireland, a state agency, here (Enterprise Ireland may have invested in the company, which would mean that this source is not strictly independent of the company). Bláthnaid 18:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- Bláthnaid 18:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. -- Bláthnaid 18:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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