Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buddy Walthers

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The result was delete. Clear consensus below for the article not to exist. If he gets mentioned in the main article (and that's an editorial decision), would encourage the creation of a redirect at that point. Daniel (talk) 14:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Buddy Walthers[edit]

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Does not meet GNG. Was involved in the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination but not "prominently" as stated in the lead. Notability is not inherited. Searching finds some coverage related to this, but not significant in-depth coverage. MB 14:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. MB 14:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. MB 14:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep my google book search finds lots of references. Seems to meet WP:GNG to me. Jeepday (talk) 18:36, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he was involved in the Kennedy assassination which is probably one of the most written about events of the 20th century. But his involvement was very small. You will find lots of mentions like "The first law officer on the scene was Deputy Buddy Walthers". This is not significant in-depth coverage of him; a large number of minor mentions like this do not make a person notable. MB 02:04, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:21, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious -- Most of the article is about his murder in an arrest that went wrong. His minor involvement in the Kennedy Assassination, also feels like "famous for 15 minutes". I fear that my conclusion is that he is probably NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:17, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article asserts that the subject "played prominent a role" in the investigation and then gives us a single poorly-sourced sentence about it. While he happened to be there, the sources seem to suggest that his presence and role is not sufficient to justify a standalone article. Being first on the scene is not a claim of notability, and at best would warrant a brief, one-clause mention at Assassination of John F. Kennedy (where he isn't even mentioned right now). --Kinu ^t/_c 00:26, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, selectively, a sentence along the lines of "The first law officer on the scene was Deputy Buddy Walthers" to Assassination of John F. Kennedy. Doesn't seem to be independently notable. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 17:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clearer consensus needed if something is worth merging.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 04:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a non-notable person who just happened to have some involvement in a very notable incident. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:01, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Assassination of John F. Kennedy. No evidence of notability outside of that event. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:29, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A bold third relist here, would rather get more clear picture of a merge/redirect possibility rather than close as no consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 23:39, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Redirect is essentially the same as a Delete, and wouldn't really be valid here since the subject is not mentioned in the Kennedy article. Such a redirect would be subject to deletion on the grounds that a reader would have no idea why they were led to the Kennedy article. And from the perspective of the Kennedy article, mentioning him there would be trivia and not warranted. MB 23:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am sympathetic to the argument that discussing him in Assassination of John F. Kennedy would be trivial, and would argue for deletion on those grounds. But for what it's worth, we already mention him, though not by name: "A deputy sheriff noticed some blood on Tague's cheek..." in § Governor Connally and a spectator wounded. This could, I think, be rewritten as "Deputy Sheriff Buddy Walthers noticed some blood on Tague's cheek...", to force a mention to justify the redirect. It's not great, but it could work. From a quick glance, I don't see sufficient sourcing to justify calling Walthers "the first officer on the scene", which would make it more interesting; just one of the first. So, on balance, redirect with the added name drop, or delete as a second choice. I don't think he has independent notability. — The Earwig (talk) 07:19, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.