Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruno Cetto

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The result was keep. Needs work but the arguments for notability are sound. Tone 06:14, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Cetto

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Fails WP:BLP and no claim of notability despite it has more info on the Italian Wikipedia. Sheldybett (talk) 05:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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IN FACT IT IS AN ITALIAN MYCOLOGIST. PLEASE NOTE THAT HIS BOOKS HAVE BEEN TRANSLATED IN ENGLISH TOO. I HAVE PROVIDED THE LITERATURE REFERENCE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrea EDASA (talk • contribs) 09:45, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 22:25, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The problem I have with this article is that there are no independent references about him. My own search didn't find much either. Of course, his research was pre-internet and in Italian to boot, so it's not necessarily surprising my search wasn't successful. Still, there need to be some sources that show that either WP:GNG is met or that his work on fungi made him an expert so as to meet WP:NPROF. There are a lot of cites for his 7 volume work, but his h-index doesn't seem very high (though this isn't really my area). Papaursa (talk) 03:27, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. We need sources to say something about him, the article has things that are formatted sort of like sources but they are unverifiable, and I couldn't find anything. You would think that by now, two weaks after the start of the AfD and the spirited defense of the article by another editor, something would have been done to improve the disastrous state of the article, but no. In its current state it doesn't convince me that we can have an article that passes WP:V, regardless of whether the multivolume book or the club named after him are deemed enough for notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:06, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment According to this source [1] he was a member of it:Accademia Roveretana degli Agiati but I don't know if this is sufficient to pass #3 of WP:NACADEMIC. The sources on the Italian page I do not think would pass WP:GNG here. --Dom from Paris (talk) 12:42, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 13:06, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep On a quick search, so far I have found that the chef Antonio Carluccio in his Complete Mushroom Book says in his introduction, "In the present book I have followed the example [with regards to naming] of the late Bruno Cetto, the famous Italian mycologist who wrote five masterly and comprehensive books on the subject, with descriptions and photographs of no fewer than 2,147 mushrooms." [2] The books were translated into German, so I will try to find reviews of them in either German or Italian - German I will hopefully be able to follow, Italian I will have to use Google translate ..... (Actually also translated into Spanish, and there are reviews in Czech here [www.czechmycology.org/_cm/CM282.pdf] and here [www.czechmycology.org/_cm/CM254.pdf].) A magazine called "News of New Mycology" (in Italian) says in one issue "An overview of the main popularizing texts of mycology can not start without Mushrooms from life, a seven-volume work published by Arti Grafiche Satu in the which the Engineer Bruno Cetto poured out his immense experience in the field."[3] On pages 133-135 of this document in Hungarian [www.gombanet.hu/upload/files/1991.pdf], there's what appears to be an obituary, in Hungarian, of Bruno Cetto, which could also be translated .... The final paragraph of the source which --Dom from Paris found says (in Google Translate's version of Italian), "Teacher of mechanical technology by profession, he applied himself with passion and method to mycology, becoming one of the greatest and most in-depth experts in the field in the European field. In this context he maintained relationships with distinguished scholars, especially in the German language. With his work he contributed to the dissemination of knowledge on mushrooms (his books, some of which translated into various languages, have become popular heritage) but also to the training of health personnel responsible for their control and the drafting of legislation on protection from part of the provincial bodies." I think he definitely passes WP:GNG, perhaps WP:NPROF as well, as there is evidence that he had a significant impact both within the field of mycology and outside it. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:42, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per RebeccaGreen, subject appears to meet WP:NPROF as his works have a high number of citations by others on Google Scholar [4]. The article is a mess, I will take a stab at cleaning it up. Ifnord (talk) 05:26, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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