Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brown's Brewery

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) →TheSpecialUser^Talk_{Contributions}* 05:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Brown's Brewery[edit]

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The brewery itself is not notable. The only thing noteworthy that ever happened there was the flag sewing, and as notability is not inherited, the fact that someone sewed a flag there doesn't make this long-demolished brewery notable. The question I ask myself is "if she had sewn the flag in her own home, would her home be deserving of its own Wikipedia article" and the answer I come to is "no". The only reference I could find that covers the actual brewery itself (and doesn't just mention it as a short note in an article otherwise about the flag) is the "Brewing in Baltimore" book, and s ingle reference doesn't indicate notability. Night Ranger (talk) 03:48, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A brewery founded in 1783 in the US that lasted until 1879 is historically notable, & would be regardless of Mary Pickersgill. where have you looked for additional sources discussing it? DGG ( talk ) 04:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The brewery that was founded in 1783 burned to the ground in 1812 according to the article. Another brewery was built on the same site but was owned by different people. I looked in Google Books and all I got was the one book (already cited) and one other one (which only gives a trivial passing mention). Notability is built on multiple reliable third-party sources and I can't find any that are about the subject except for the book already cited. Night Ranger (talk) 02:16, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, the brewery was built by Peters who later owned it in partnership with the Johnson family. That building was rebuilt in 1813 by the Johnson company and then sold to Brown. See also my comments below. Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment First of all, this article requires sourcing to the BLP level because of the past problem with the hoax article. Any claim in this article, even the street address, is contentious and has now become the infamous "extraordinary claim" requiring specific sources. If that leaves nothing left afterwards, then maybe delete the article - for the sake of verification, not for notability. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm sure this building has a plaque on the outside stating that it's where the flag was made. The historical aspect is sufficient alone to keep the article.

Additionally (and independently) I'd agree with DGG's comment that it's separately notable simply as a long-running business. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It can't because the building doesn't exist anymore. There's a Marriott Hotel there now, apparently. Night Ranger (talk) 02:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible to have a plaque on the building that now occupies the site. There's a picture of it on page 14 of this book and here (although the plaque erroneously credits Eli Claggett, who did not buy the building until 1818, as the brewery owner at the time). Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC) Updated by Voceditenore (talk) 12:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 10:06, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I've just expanded the article and referenced it to within an inch of its life. Check its current state. The brewery and its history are covered in two books, which incidentally, were not hard to locate, plus two lengthy newspaper articles. In addition, it is covered in an historical guide to Baltimore published by John Hopkins University Press. Even if its original building burnt down in 1812, the brewery was a continuous business from 1783, when it was the biggest brewery in the United States, until 1879. Under Eli Claggett who bought it from Brown in 1818, it went on to become the biggest of the 11 breweries in Baltimore during the 1850s (all of which is referenced in the article). The subject is clearly notable and verifiable. Voceditenore (talk) 12:37, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Well done, V. The article is now well documented and seems complete. The article had a bit of a rocky start; but, thanks to Voceditenore, it is obvious that it is notable and should be kept. WTucker (talk) 13:24, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Now clearly keep, a well-sourced article--Ymblanter (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, sources were found that I missed. Nice job, this can be closed as keep. Night Ranger (talk) 14:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep! The subject is both notable and quite interesting. Folklore1 (talk) 20:25, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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