Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bronisław Gostomski

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The result was keep‎. —Ganesha811 (talk) 16:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bronisław Gostomski[edit]

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No evidence of this meeting WP:NBIO. A priest who died in a high-profile crash. Pl Wikipedia article is a bit longer but also has nothing suggesting notability (just an obituary). A posthumous award of Order of Polonia Restituta, likely mass-awarded to everyone who died in said tragic event (~90 people) is not enough. WP:ATD-R would be to redirect this to List of casualties of the Smolensk air disaster. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Religion and Poland. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Christianity and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 07:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is true that all those killed in the crash were given the order. However, he was appointed Commander of the Order of Polonia Restituta rather than one of the lower grades, which probably qualifies for WP:ANYBIO #1, although the lower grades probably don't. We would certainly consider the equivalent grades in the British honours system to meet ANYBIO (and have done so many times). -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But context is relevant: getting an award for being in the wrong place/time (dying int he aforementioned incident) is just a nice tweak to WP:NOTMEMORIAL. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you considered that maybe these people would have been up for the honour in life anyway, but died before they could receive it? For the lower levels I would agree with you, just "recognition" for dying in a notable incident (a bit weird, in my opinion, but often done in some countries; France tends to hand out the Légion d'honneur for things like this, for instance), but not the higher levels. There's a reason these people were not made a knight or officer, but received a higher honour. And it's not just seniority, as some senior people did receive one of the lower grades. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If they are notable for other reasons, we need other sources to say so. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Polish wikipedia article states that he was a chaplain of Ryszard Kaczorowski, and was honoured by the Pope and received an annual award during his lifetime so am leaning Keep, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:52, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. I'm seeing a short obituary in The Times, another in Gazeta Wyborcza, and another on Polskie Radio. I can also find a longer, bylined obit in Richmond and Twickenham Times, with other substantial coverage in The Telegraph and Argus, Wiadomosci, The Daily Telegraph, and The Evening Standard. He was also apparently somewhat known locally for work with Polish immigrants in the U.K.. A lot of this is coverage related to his death, or other coverage published around the time of his death, though he was also featured in a front-page story of the Peterborough Herald and Post in 1991, although he wasn't the subject of that article.
Regarding WP:ANYBIO#1, the papal award appears to merely be monsignor, which wouldn't confer notability. But, the Polish award of Commander of the Order of Polonia Restituta seems to meet that. There's also the consideration of WP:1E, but merging seems to be infeasible due to the way that the list article is structured.
In light of all the above, I think keeping this as a standalone works best. We've got a pass on WP:ANYBIO#1, and thus a pass of WP:NBIO, and we have enough in terms of sourcing to write a brief biographical entry about this priest. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: based on the explanations above and the "award" given to him (I'm not sure that's the correct term). We have enough for a brief article Oaktree b (talk) 14:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, due to being awarded posthumously with Polonia Restituta and the title of Chaplain of His Holiness before death.Marcelus (talk) 13:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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