Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Britton Colquitt

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The result was keep. EdJohnston (talk) 19:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Britton Colquitt

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This player does not meet WP:ATHLETE, and nothing sugests he meets any other potential notability criteria. He has not yet competed in a professional game. PackerMania (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep OR Close and relist later on- if needed Has a chance to become the Broncos starting punter next season (one of three punters on the roster) Wait until it pans out to see if it happens. Just because he hasn't had a chance to play in the NFL doesn't make him not notable. I'd say getting signed to the practice squad of an NFL team ensues notability.. it would be different if it was a guy who was cut in June after going undrafted. RF23 (talk) 00:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - If this player has notability now, it will never be appropriate to delete for lack of notability. Notability is not temporary nor, it would follow, is notability contingent on a future event. Where is it WP policy or guideline to create and keep an article before a subject is notable? You have to be kidding that you think every undrafted player signed to a practice squad is notable for that reason alone. If you really believe that is consensus, you should try to change WP:ATHLETE. The article should be deleted now and recreated if and when the player becomes notable. You could always userfy the page to your userspace and when he walks on the field the first time, move it on over to the regular space. PackerMania (talk) 01:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:58, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Give him the boot for failing WP:ATHLETE. Recreate if he makes the Broncos. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - As a two-time All-SEC punter from a long-time punting family, I'd keep him as long as he's a member of the Broncos to see if he makes it.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 02:48, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Well, since he comes from a long-time punting family... Seriously, though, I take it you would then vote to delete if he is cut. But that gets it backwards. Wikipedia articles are not to cover potentially notable people. An article should only cover an actually notable person. There is a great chance that he will make it, but it is not almost certain. Take a look at WP:FUTURE. Is there a countervailing "Let's see if they make it" guideline that I am not aware of? PackerMania (talk) 02:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Yeah, I get all that. I just wouldn't waste the time deleting it and re-creating it when it could just sit there untouched.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 04:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As noted in numerous prior college football discussions, the sole purpose of WP:ATHLETE is to establish an automatic inclusionary rule for players who have reached the highest level of a sport. Colquitt's status as a two-time All-SEC award winner goes along way to showing notability. More importantly, college football players qualify under the general notability standard if they have been the subject of significant, non-trivial coverage in the mainstream media. A search of the Newsbank database shows that Colquitt has been the subject of extensive media coverage focused on him (i.e., not passing references in game coverage). Examples include: (1) Broncos add Britton Colquitt with 2010 as opportunity, Knoxville News Sentinel, December 31, 2009, (2) Colquitt rivalry set in motion, Knoxville News Sentinel, April 29, 2009, (3) Colquitt to handle long-distance field goals, The Daily Times (Maryville, TN), October 30, 2008, (4) Colquitt is back with Vols after suspension, The Augusta Chronicle, October 9, 2008, (5) Wiedmer: Colquitt getting his final chance, Chattanooga Times-Free Press, October 9, 2008, (6) Colquitt returns to punt for Tennessee, Associated Press Archive, October 8, 2008, (7) Colquitt out of Vols' doghouse, lessons learned -- Punter back after 5-game suspension, The Commercial Appeal (Memphis, TN), October 8, 2008 , (8) 'Light as a feather' Colquitt glad to be back punting after 5-game suspension, Knoxville News Sentinel, October 7, 2008, (9) Vol punter reflects on errors -- Colquitt says DUI taught him lesson, The Commercial Appeal (Memphis, TN), July 9, 2008, (10) Colquitt pleads guilty to DUI, Athens Banner-Herald (GA), July 8, 2008, (11) Colquitt taught a 'big lesson', Knoxville News Sentinel, July 8, 2008 , (12) Tennessee P Colquitt pleads guilty to DUI, Associated Press Archive, July 7, 2008, (13) Tenn's Colquitt suspended, loses scholarship after DUI arrest, Associated Press Archive, February 19, 2008, (14) New formation, Colquitt aid kick coverage, Knoxville News Sentinel, October 7, 2007, (15) Fulmer: Gaines probably out against Florida, Colquitt may play, Associated Press Archive, September 10, 2007, (16) Colquitt’s role remains uncertain for the season opener, Knoxville News Sentinel, August 27, 2007, (17) Britton Colquitt + kicker - All-SEC punter now a kicker, too, The Commercial Appeal (Memphis, TN), August 26, 2007, (18) Kicking leg gets attention of Vols -- Colquitt interrupted by pulled muscle, The Commercial Appeal, August 21, 2007, (19) Colquitt will rest his leg, Knoxville News Sentinel, August 21, 2007, (20) Colquitt is go-to guy when Vols have to kick, Knoxville News Sentinel, August 15, 2007, (21) Punter follows family tree Britton Colquitt is the fourth member of his family to punt for Tennessee, York Daily Record (PA), December 28, 2006, (22) WHEN LESS IS MORE Light work for Colquitt is good news for Vols, The Knoxville News-Sentinel, October 27, 2006, (23) Colquitt upholds family name, The Daily Herald (Columbia, TN), September 26, 2006, (24) Colquitt’s rain makers mired Herd, The Knoxville News-Sentinel, September 26, 2006, (25) Colquitt becomes Vol weapon, The Daily Times, September 24, 2006, (26) Punting a family tradition at Tennessee Colquitt joins father, brother and cousin as Volunteer punters, Charleston Gazette (WV), September 23, 2006, (27) Fulmer's tough words work on Colquitt, The Knoxville News-Sentinel, April 9, 2006, (28) Fulmer kicking around missing Colquitt, The Knoxville News-Sentinel, April 5, 2006, (29) Best Be Forgotten, Confident Colquitt poised to rebound, The Knoxville News-Sentinel, September 26, 2005, (30) Colquitt hopes to put his best foot forward, The Knoxville News-Sentinel, September 17, 2005. Cbl62 (talk) 04:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you remove this source from your list? Tenn s Colquitt suspended, loses scholarship after DUI arrest, Charleston Gazette (WV), February 19, 2008. I added reference to this event in the article. I'm not missing something, am I? PackerMania (talk) 06:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed it because it's a duplicate of #13. Did not want to include the same article twice. Cbl62 (talk) 06:47, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question Cb162, according to your reasoning, would being a first team all-conference for a major conference be considered notable?RF23 (talk) 21:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Response. I'm not aware of a guideline stating such a principle, but receipt of a first-team All-SEC or All-Big 10 honor should go a long way in showing notability. Personally, I would favor a guideline that recognizes such players as notable. However, in crafting such a guideline, you'd have to determine which conferences are "major" and which all-conference selectors should count. Cbl62 (talk) 17:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Not voting since I'm not big into sports, but just a quote from WP:BIO: "meeting one or more [of the additional criteria (such as WP:ATHLETE)] does not guarantee that a subject should be included" so it's not the "automatic inclusionary rule" you've been claiming it is, just another likely rule to use. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Response. I understand your comment, but based on American football deletion discussions over the past couple years, playing one game in the NFL or MLB has been treated per WP:ATHLETE as an automatic basis for inclusion. Sure, there might be cases where some would contend that a player participated in only a single professional contest should be rejected. But the point I was making is that, whether its automatic or not, WP:ATHLETE is an inclusionary guideline rather than an exclusionary guideline. Yet, some people misunderstand it and suggest that an athlete who has never played professionally is not notable. To the contrary, it has been widely recognized in prior discussions that a college football player who never plays professional football still qualifies if he meets the general notability standards by virtue of having received significant, non-trivial coverage in the mainstream media. In this case, my quick research (summarized above) came up with more than 30 articles which are focused specifically on Colquitt, i.e., coverage of him rather than passing references to him in coverage of game results. There are closer cases where I have voted to delete, e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerry Babb, but in my view, Colquitt is pretty clearly on the keep end of the spectrum. Cbl62 (talk) 17:31, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- That is a great point. And regarding RF23's question re: all-conference, why isn't the college football parallel to WP:ATHLETE #2 a college player being consensus All-American (or even just first team in one listing)? If WP:ATHLETE is the consensus position for athletes (realizing it is only a guideline, not a hard and fast rule and still subject to general notability), it would seem to require more than all-conference honors to be notable on the basis of athletics performance alone. Because news coverage of athletics is disproportionate to their reletive importance in the world, mere news coverage is going to be less accurate at determining notablity than more objective standards (like All-American, or playing in a pro game) and like I thought WP:ATHLETE was intended to do. The fluff pieces Cbl62 has cited here and at, for example, WP:Articles for deletion/Justin Brantly far from establishing some sort of objective, permanent notability, in my mind supports the case that WP:Athlete (and parallels that can be drawn for sports like football) should be the norm with exceptions made only in exceptional cases. If WP:ATHLETE will never carry the day (other than if Cbl62 wants to use it to automatically include somebody), we should get rid of it in favor of something editors agree on (two google news hits from the Sheboygan Times maybe). PackerMania (talk) 07:07, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per CB - Ret.Prof (talk) 12:40, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and possibly rewrite later 1. He hasn't competed as a professional, and 2. Relatives of famous people are not notable just because they are related. Of course, I don't think that there will be much controversy over this if he becomes a successful punter. Rin tin tin 1996 (talk) 23:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I see meeting general notability guideline and coverage for his college athletic production. Plus, no way this is a "vanity article" or it would not use one of its sources as being kicked off the team for boozing it up. Certainly meets NPV, and I'm okay with it.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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