Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bringing Wreck

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Obvious. Kubigula (talk) 16:29, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Bringing Wreck

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non notable album, does not have independant notabiltiy. Redirected and reverted by creator. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:36, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate Gaijin42's patrolling of Wikipedia's new pages, however, I disagree with this user's deletion of Bringing Wreck's page. User's definition of "notable" is different from my own, apparently. There are users on Wikipedia that share my definition as well as his/her definition. Notability is a touchy area. This band is regionally notable, therefore their album is notable. As I wrote in my user statement, I am here to contribute to Wikipedia: information that support independent music, independent artists, noteworthy underdogs, and otherwise important/informative people, places, and events. I support the sharing ideas of local and regional importance regardless of widespread national or international "noteworthiness". Wikipedia is a globally-recognized experiment in the free exchange of information, and as such, it should be treated differently than a traditional encyclopedia, which puts an unreasonable limit on who or what may be included. If topics and content are verifiable and notable to a localized region, they should be given the same treatment as international notability. Wikipedia is not a VIP club for those deemed worthy of inclusion. Therefore, my presence here will be to help color within the lines of knowledge of the city and state in which I live.

I believe I am in the right in my definition of notable, hence this page should not be deleted. It is a dangerous precedent to be set. I implore other users to take this into account.

I thank you for understanding my perspective. --CujoLimon (talk) 19:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

• nominator response One thing in particular that I think you are mistaken on is "This band is regionally notable, therefore their album is notable.". This is specifically addressed Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED and even more specifically by the music notability criteria Wikipedia:NALBUMS "An album requires its own notability, and that notability is not inherited and requires independent evidence. That an album is an officially released recording by a notable musician or ensemble is not by itself reason for a standalone article. Conversely, an album does not need to be by a notable artist to require a standalone article if it meets the General notability guideline. Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting." Well in any case, the AFD process is started, so we will see what the consensus decides. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

• Merge into band's article - this is a textbook case of an album that doesn't merit its own entry according to Wikipedia policies. It hasn't had sufficient cultural/sales impact to meet album notability criteria. Merge, add a redirect, content's still there, wikipedia policies are satisfied, job done. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

How does one merge and add a redirect for an article? --CujoLimon (talk) 01:22, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

The content would just manually be added to the destination article, then you replace the redirected article with the redirect. Gaijin42 (talk) 01:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

All right, I manually added the info to the destination article. I am not certain how to redirect, though. Perhaps someone can do that before the album article is deleted?--CujoLimon (talk) 18:08, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

We have to wait until the AFD discussion is finished (usually 7 days) before the article is deleted or redirected. BAsed on the discussion, the closing admin will likley choose to close it as a redirect so everything will be taken care of. If it is deleted, then we can just recreate the article as a redirect, so no big deal either way. Gaijin42 (talk) 21:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Your replies to my all my questions have been very helpful. Thank you.--CujoLimon (talk) 20:04, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

• Delete - Per WP:NALBUMS, notability is not inherited from a band. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 10:22, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

*Delete per WP:NALBUMS. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:17, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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