Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brilliant 10 diamond

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The result was no consensus. --MuZemike 19:46, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant 10 diamond

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Article that fails WP:N for lack of reliable independent sources containing significant discussion of this product. The only sources cited, or discoverable, are press-release-derived and otherwise promotional material. (Note: I normally would have prodded this; but another version of the article, at the title "The most brilliant diamond in the world", had a prod declined, so I felt compelled to bring it here. The creation of that version was the only WP edit of User:Yairshimansky, whose name matches that of the jeweller who sells these diamonds.) Deor (talk) 11:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I recognize the problem of the cut-and-paste move that created two versions of this article, one at The most brilliant diamond in the world (now a redirect) and one at the title above. If this article is kept, I'll request a histmerge; if it's deleted, I'll request a G6 speedy of the original article. Deor (talk) 14:15, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added a History merge tag to this article, to merge history to it from the "The most brilliant diamond in the world" article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 19:43, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have done the histmerge. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete After doing a little searching on my own, I have to agree with the nom. In this instance, the only "sources" are not independent, and regardless would not likely quality as reliable sources per WP:RS. The links might be ok for some info, but not to establish the notability. In this case, I just don't see any independent discussion. No newspapers or other mainstream media discussing it. It would appear that the article is more of an effort to generate buzz than to educate. Dennis Brown (talk) 14:05, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 23:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 23:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – This following source, BRILLIANT 10 DIAMOND TOUTED AS "WORLD'S MOST BRILLIANT CUT" from The Israel Diamond Institute, a non-profit company, does not appear to be sourced from a press release. Note the part of the article that reads, "Shimansky explained to DiamondWorld.net that his diamond design,..." appears to be from an interview of sorts. Northamerica1000^(talk) 18:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See also, recently added to the article:

• "Shimansky Diamond Showroom and Workshop" from Cape Town Magazine, an article that doesn't appear to be sourced from a press release.

• "New Shimansky range is a gem". Independent Online News. October 25, 2011. Retrieved December 21, 2011. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)

• "Vera raves over SA diamonds". Independent Online News. May 23, 2011. Retrieved December 21, 2011. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)

• "Shimansky plans to sparkle in Asia". Independent Online News. December 21, 2011. Retrieved December 21, 2011. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)

• Thiel, Gustav (December 21, 2011). "Diamonds are a girl's breast friend..." Independent Online News. Retrieved December 21, 2011. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)

Northamerica1000^(talk) 19:15, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Independent coverage has been found. I also found this little gem. [1] Dream Focus 19:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – to the new article I created, Yair Shimansky. Northamerica1000^(talk) 20:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm still not seeing any non-promotional sources. The Cape Town Magazine, seems, from the information on the site, to be an online "magazine" to which local businesses pay a fee to become "partners", in return becoming the subjects of "articles" and notices on the site. The Independent Online News articles also appear to be puff pieces and do not specifically mention the Brilliant 10. The Cape Town Diamond Museum cited by Dream Focus just happens to be located in the Shimansky shop. If this article is deleted, I will also be nominating Yair Shimansky for deletion. Deor (talk) 21:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Noted, that several of the Independent Online News sources are specifically about Yair Shimansky, which is why, after doing all that research, I created the Yair Shimansky article, as the person is more extensively covered in sources. I disagree with the various coverage of Yair Shimansky in Independent Online News being categorized under a blanket description of all being "puff pieces". Also, please don't forget to actually check for the availability of reliable sources for the topic "Yair Shimansky," rather than automatically nominating that article for deletion. Northamerica1000^(talk) 23:00, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to page Diamond cut? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A redirect would presumably be to Diamond cut#Modified brilliants, but per WP:WEIGHT I'd be loath to merge any information about this particular variant to that section, particularly since all the available sources seem merely to parrot Shimansky's own account of the cut's wonderful features. Deor (talk) 15:23, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.