Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian West (Radio Announcer)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ip contribution have not been discounted. However, this is not a vote; the arguments made by those contributing here on the basis of "what about article x" and the failure to address policy and guideline issues, have been discounted.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brian West (Radio Announcer)[edit]

I tagged this for {{notability}} yesterday but the tag was simply removed by the original author a few hours later with no new claims of notability made (and I suspect, though can't actually prove, that said author is the subject himself). Run-of-the-mill local radio announcers are not notable. Delete. Bearcat 00:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete...fails WP:BIO. "Voted first overall student by his classmates" and "employee of the month" don't seem really that notable, and even these minimal claims aren't cited. DMacks 03:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as vanity piece. Subject simply does not pass the bar. A string of very minor and unverifiable awards. MOst importantly, sources lack independence. Ohconfucius 10:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I can let you know that this wasn't written by the subject, and that there are hundreds of radio announcers on here, and that's why this subject was added. He is a notable radio announcer and has been heard in many markets and has a big following. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.141.104.2 (talk) 03:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Then kindly show verifiable proof of that following, because Wikipedia does not work on a "take my word for it" basis. We require verifiable information, and Google shows exactly no evidence of any burgeoning Brian West fan club. Bearcat 16:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'KEEP' I wrote this article - and I am not Brian West. I do know lots about his career however. I can and will cite what needs to be. I am not familiar on how to do it. I tried to, and it didn't work. But I don't think this article should be deleted. As was stated in the above, there are hundreds of radio announcers on here, and I think it's important that the Canadian guys are kept on here just as the Americans are. Shock wav 03:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC) — Shock wav (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

The radio announcers with articles on Wikipedia are those who are heard nationally, such as Brent Bambury, Grant Lawrence, Opie and Anthony or Howard Stern. Wikipedia does not have a lot of articles about local radio announcers. Bearcat 16:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bearcat, you're above statement is false. Please refer to the Canadian Radio Personalities Category (at the bottom of the article in question) and you will see that these announcers are not heard 'nationally'. 'keep' 64.231.233.159 15:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, my above statement is not false. The vast majority of the announcers in said category are heard nationally (and mostly on the CBC networks, at that); the few that are purely local personalities have some additional criterion of notability besides just being voices on the radio, such as having played in the NHL or been in a notable band before becoming radio hosts. You're misrepresenting reality here, not me. Also, just for the record, anonymous IPs, and users whose first-ever Wikipedia contribution is to vote in an AFD, are generally ignored when tallying up whether the consensus is to keep or delete. Bearcat 07:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Keep' I disagree with Bearcats statement "Run-of-the-mill local radio announcers are not notable". I was looking for a guy I used to listen to, and found him on here. I found it very helpful that he was on here. Radio people are in the public eye, and are celebrities to some people, and therefore they may be searched for projects, or other assignments. If they are not 'worthy' enough to be on here, then why is there a "Radio Personalities Page" or a "Radio people stub"? Much Music VJ's are on here, and they are announcers that you can see. In fact I recently read that many radio stations in the major centres have more listeners than Much Music has viewers...?? I think this article should be kept, as like I did with another radio person, perhaps someone may lookup this individual. 64.231.233.159 05:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC) — 64.231.233.159 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

If they are not 'worthy' enough to be on here, then why is there a "Radio Personalities Page" or a "Radio people stub"? Because there are notable radio personalities in the world, e.g. Howard Stern. That fact does not make all radio personalities equally notable. Oh, and kindly provide a source for your claim about the relative audiences of MuchMusic vs. radio stations. (Also, note that this is this user's first-ever edit.) Bearcat 16:31, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as there is no evidence of him being the subject of multiple non-trivial published works that are reliable and independent of the subject. --Paul Erik 06:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Bearcat. Local radio personal are not inherently notable, and I'm frankly getting sick of the ILIKEIT crowd. Wikipedia is not for everything you like/want to know/think should be on here/ect. -Royalguard11(Talk·Review Me!) 18:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'keep' Yes Howard Stern is ONE person... You can add Rick Dees, Casey Kasem, Ryan Seacrest... that is still only 4 people... ok even add 10 more... so you're at 14. There are HUNDREDS of radio people on here - and Canadian radio people at that. So you don't have a valid point as to why this article shouldn't be posted when SO many more are. I'm not going to give specific examples, so you don't go after their authors as well - but what gives you the right to pick and choose which people go up and which don't. The reasons you are giving go against OTHER posting that are up on this site. Shock wav 23:37, 21 April 2007 (UTC)— Shock wav (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

'Keep': You state “Run-of-the-mill local radio announcers are not notable” Says who? Are local television personalities notable? If you notice, many of the LOCAL reporters from City T.V are notable enough…why is that? Because you can see them? I have read some of the City T.V articles and I do not believe that this information :“Many consider her to be a great news anchor.She is smart!” is very notable. Or how about: “She was a model before she came to CityTV” Is that notable information? I think not. Neither of those articles state “fan clubs” or provide “varifiable information”. Why are they not up for debate? If you are going to debate over a local radio personality then I think the rules should apply for everyone. MagGuy 00:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC) — MagGuy (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete - fails WP:BIO. It's as simple as that. "The other guy has one, so I should too" Is not a valid argument. -- Chabuk ^{[ T • C ]} 00:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'keep' "they have one and so should I" is not the argument actually. It's just stating a fact as to how there is no consistency with your argument. 64.141.104.2 00:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous IP votes don't count in AFD. Bearcat 07:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'keep' That's a good point above - I'd just like to add to that point by saying that you don't have a good rebuttle by avoiding the point that there are hundreds on here. It's not saying that "they have one, so I want one too". It's saying - this article is NO different than current articles on here. PERIOD. Shock wav 00:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC) — Shock wav (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

You're the only one avoiding a point here: the "hundreds of radio personalities on here" are all actually notable for reasons beyond the mere fact of being voices on the radio, while you have not demonstrated that Brian West is similarly notable. Bearcat 07:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Keep' I like the point that was made above "Radio people are in the public eye, and are celebrities to some people, and therefore they may be searched for projects, or other assignments." Students taking broadcasting or maybe even other courses, may have to do an assignment on members of the media, and if they are looking online and want to find out more about the personality than what's stated on the stations website, they would come to wiki for it. I believe that members of the media, personalities should have information about themselves available to the public, and they should be noted on wiki. My 2 cents. Thank you. 64.141.104.2 02:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous IP votes don't count in AFD. And trust me, if anybody in a broadcasting course is given an assignment about a radio host by their prof, the assignment's gonna be about Foster Hewitt or Matthew Halton or Mary Lou Finlay or Barbara Frum, not Brian West. Bearcat 07:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me but I use WIKI ALL THE TIME for work. Just because I haven't created an account, I can't have a say? So what are you saying, you don't think people without an account should use Wiki? I'd guess that the majority of people who use it don't have an account. 64.141.104.2 17:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And have you ever taken a broadcasting course? Because I have. Although there are possible projects on Stern and the other random big success stories... Generally, the profs have you look at local announcers, and success stories from your city. Especially Canadian ones here in Canada.

Which is exactly why I named several successful Canadian radio announcers. Brian West is not in that league. And no, I'm not saying people without an account shouldn't use Wikipedia; they can read it all they want. I'm saying that people without an account actually don't get to override Wikipedia policy when an article doesn't properly comply with that. Bearcat 21:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I took a look at the article and doesn't show that much importance (not notable). It's like if it was a small profile about him. If the person was more notable, there could be more info on him instead of info of stations he has been. --esanchez, Camp Lazlo fan! 15:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Lately, there are 2 from 64.141.104.2, 3 from Shock wav and two from 64.231.233.159. Just letting know that the duplicate comments will not count. --esanchez, Camp Lazlo fan! 15:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep The list of radio personalities here is quite lengthy and also that his awards (Canadian awards) makes him somewhat notable so I thought maybe it should be kept for now, but it would need some work.--JForget 01:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'keep' Many radio announcers seem to be on here along with television people and journalists. Radio is a form of entertainment, and entertainers belong on wiki - whether national or not. According to this article, someone in Ottawa, Kingston, Toronto (The GTA), or Hamilton could listen to / be looking up this person. Population of Ottawa: 1 million. Kingston: 120,000, Hamtilon: 500,000 and the GTA: 4 Million. That's over 5 million people who potentially could have heard this announcer, and want more info about him. agree to keep. SASHA 02:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC) — Sasha 80 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Note: User's first-ever edit. Bearcat 07:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.