Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Fury

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The result was delete. The question here is whether this person meets WP:ATHLETE or not. The arguments that he does pass have been well refuted, and are backed by a clear guideline. While I note that there has been little participation, I do not believe that waiting any further will give a clearer consensus. Kevin (talk) 01:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Fury

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Doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE, as he hasn't competed in the top level of his sport. All the sources in the article are primary, except for Online World of Wrestling (which doesn't indicate notability as any wrestler can pay to have their profile added there). No third party sources available to help indicate notability. Nikki♥311 19:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. —Nikki♥311 19:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of characters in the Tekken series#Bryan Fury. Likely misspelling. Tevildo (talk) 20:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep a quick news search indicates that the subject is notable, albeit just barely. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- All I see in those results are match results or previews...all trivial mentions at best. Nikki♥311 03:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Match coverage is exactly what I'd expect a wrestler's notability to be based on. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete For the benefit of Thaddeus, coverage must not be a press release. A lot of the news links read like press releases and are therefore not allowed. More than match coverage is required in this case for a pass of WP:N. !! Justa Punk !! 04:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: An IP has just added quite a bit of sourcing to the article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- And while I appreciate the effort, none of that helps establish notability. Several of the references are primary, a wrestler can pay to add his profile to Online World of Wrestling, and the match results read like press releases. In addition, Solie and Wrestling Titles have championship lists for hundreds of promotions from large to small, which doesn't establish notability for the titles listed there. The only source that might establish some notability is The Eagle-Tribune, but the article is primarily about John Cena, and Fury is only mentioned trivially. Nikki♥311 03:50, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I don't argue that the sources couldn't use some improvement but Fury's notability as a wrestler is clearly established. He's held titles in three notable promotions, namely New England's "Big Three" (CW, NECW and MWF), and has participated in at least one notable event, the ECWA Super 8 Tournament. He's also had some wins over notable wrestlers like Alex Arion, Slyk Wagner Brown, Jay Lethal and John Walters. I originally used the Eagle-Tribune to source his real name but I would also argue that the article references Fury as being part of another notable event, one held by a known wrestling promoter (who is the co-owner of both CW and the MWF), and attended by several then current WWE superstars.

I'm not sure why you feel the sources I've added don't establish notability. At least three of the ones included are used on literalty hundreds of wrestling articles on Wikipedia including featured articles like Bobby Eaton and C.M. Punk. And since the promotions and titles exist on Wikipedia to begin with, aren't they already considered "notable"? 72.74.200.71 (talk) 12:31, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Holding titles in promotions that have articles here is not enough. WP:ATHLETE has been mentioned. How does he pass that? !! Justa Punk !! 08:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And which policy are you quoting exactly? I couldn't find that, or in fact anything relating to professional wrestling, in WP:ATHLETE. Using common sense however, if a wrestler were to hold a primary championship title in a notable promotion, or in this case multiple promotions, then wouldn't that qualify as having competed at the "highest level" or "fully professional level of a sport"? Wouldn't his appearance at the ECWA Super 8 Tournament count as competing in "a competition of equivalent standing" ? In any case, additional references have been added and include two interviews. The second interview references his being the subject of an article by the Syracuse Post Standard. 72.74.208.92 (talk) 12:35, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No this is not correct. In professional wrestling, "highest level"/"fully professional level" is only WWE, TNA and maybe ROH (and that's questionable). Oh - and maybe the NWA Title might qualify. No other promotions in the United States qualifies as highest level etc. Just because a promotion is notable doesn't mean it's elite level. !! Justa Punk !! 06:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.