Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian David Gilbert (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:50, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brian David Gilbert[edit]

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While I'm a big fan, Gilbert doesn't meet our notability criteria for journalists or creative professionals. The coverage of him is largely trivial or tertiary coverage about his work. The work, which is humorous, does not make him an "important figure" in his field, nor is it widely cited by his peers. There's just not enough information on Gilbert, at this stage, for an article. Can (and should) be revisited a few years down the line. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 15:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 15:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:44, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~: Delete (per Czar and ImaginesTigers, I've realized my following argument isn't valid Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 00:02, 6 July 2021 (UTC)) I was the one who accepted this article at AfC. I did this because I believe it passes WP:GNG. Here are four reliable^{(correct if I'm wrong)} sources that mention the subject outside of a passing mention: [1], [2], [3], [4]. While he does fail WP:ARTIST, that doesn't mean he is not notable: "People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below". Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 18:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Thanks for responding. I disagree with these as indicating Gilbert's wider notability (which came up at the article's previous deletion.

NintendoWire is a fan-site with no consensus to allow biographical citations (but can be used for, say, reviews of games or gameplay).
My bad, disregard that one. Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 01:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The AV Club is reliable, but their article is about one of his videos more than it is about him. If you have a look, it mentions that the video was co-created by Gilbert and his partner. It isn't about Gilbert—it’s about his video (which is, admittedly, pretty funny). You've also linked that article twice, so you may have mistakenly copy and pasted the article twice.
He's an artist / creative professional. Why would any media coverage not be about his art? As for that fourth source, my mistake, sorry. I had been meaning to link this Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 01:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As for MXDWN, it’s a very small site that has never been asked about on WP:RSN.
Unsure why website largeness is reportedly a factor in a website being a reliable source. MXDWN has editorial oversight and is a secondary source independent of the subject.

That withstanding, I do still consider all of these to be primarily about his videos, even if they were good sources. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 20:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply, but I disagree. Can you link me to a wiki policy stating that sources partly about someone's work do not show notability? ^{if there is i'll change to support.} One could argue he is only notable for a single event, but the sources are about different videos and different works so that doesn't apply. I found another source, so there are still 4 good sources (3 if you don't want to include the new one): AV club, MXDWN, Twin Galaxies, Hard Drive Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 22:11, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mcguy15: Single event has nothing to do with his content, so not sure why you're raising it. For Brian David Gilbert to be independently notable, there has to be significant coverage of him. Not articles about his videos—which is what all of these are. I'm not sure what you mean by asking for a specific policy. This is what "significant coverage" means—the example given is pretty similar to this (a book about Bill Clinton indicates his notability; a mention of Bill Clinton's band in an article about him is not evidence of the band being noteworthy). In this case, Gilbert's videos may have received some attention (although from unreliable or problematic sources), but he has not been addressed "directly and in detail". Additionally, as I said above and as Czar says below, nor are all of these reliable sources. The AV Club one, sure, but it’s actually trivial; in no way is that appropriate to source a BLP. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 23:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've realized I'm in the wrong here. Sorry about my confusions, and thanks for helping me understand. I'll be sure to be more thorough in future AfC reviews. Voted for delete above. Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 00:02, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No hard feelings at all; that's why we discuss. Thanks for being collegial. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 01:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Article topic lacks significant coverage across multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) Hard Drive and Twin Galaxies are unreliable per Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources. MXDWN does not have any hallmarks/pedigree of editorial oversight, fact-checking, or quality (listing a masthead has no bearings on the publication's internal processes and external reputation). There are had no meaningful hits in a video game reliable sources custom Google search besides the A.V. Club "article",[5] which is honestly more of a gag, having little substance we can use to write an encyclopedia article on the subject himself. There are no worthwhile redirect targets. If someone finds more (non-English and offline) sources, please {{ping}} me. czar 21:36, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per czar's arguments. Throast (talk) 17:44, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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