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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The issue seems to be the notability if the awards and there appars to be a consensus the awards are not significant enough Spartaz Humbug! 11:15, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Boris Malagurski[edit]

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Vanity / unnotable film maker, who has made some small student films and received relatively unimportant awards like "nomination for best student film" – the article gives a false impression that he is a big-time film maker. Also, what concerns me is this, it also appears the user in question, who was more or less permanently banned in the end, also previously wrote articles about himself (Malagurski and others) that were deleted. Urban XII (talk) 22:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also note cross-wiki spam[1][2]
Wikipedia seems to be part of his PR strategy, see the bottom of this page[3]
  • Keep
    • User:Urban XII has made edits to University of Regensburg (3 edits in July), SOCRATES programme (3 edits on Sept 18) Pope Benedict XVI‎ (6 edits on his early life, 3 on the article itself, all on the same day, Sept 18) and then immediately jumped into deleting this article, which has nothing to do with the previous areas of interest, on the same day, Sept 18. All the other edits are so minimal (which is apparent from his contributions) that this leads me to the conclusion that this might be a case of a single purpose account. Perhaps Urban XII has some personal issues with the individual in the article, but this is not the place to discuss it. Evidence that this might be the case can be found on his talk page where, after I left him messages concerning the apparent POV pushing and personal issues he might have with the individual in the article, he replied "Grow up, Boris."[4], despite the fact that I'm not the user he keeps mentioning. However, I will address and disprove his claims, even though I believe it's quite evident that this is a personal matter between Urban XII and the individual in the article, and not a matter for Wikipedia.
    • "Vanity / unnotable film maker" - untrue. Sources such as the Ministry for Kosovo and Metohija of the Republic of Serbia [5], Tanjug, Literárky V Síti[6], Novinar[7], Czech Free Press[8], Biber[9] have all had articles about this individual, including radio interviews on CKUW-FM Radio 95.9, CKCU-FM Radio 93.1, Radio Belgrade 2, and even a report on him on Pink Television[10]
    • "who has made some small student films and received relatively unimportant awards" - untrue. First of all, although some of his films were student films, not all of them were student films - most of them were shown on International (non-student) film festivals and have won awards. Out of all the films, his awards include Best Student Film, 2005 - for "The Canada Project" at the First Take International Student Film Festival in Toronto, Canada[11], Young Authors of Europe, 2005 - for "The Canada Project" at the International Film Festival (not a student film festival, but an international film festival) in Palić, Serbia[12], Young Authors of Europe, 2005 - for "Vreme Je" at the International Film Festival in Palić, Serbia, Best Film, 2009 - for "Kosovo: Can You Imagine?" at the BC Days Serbian Documentary Film Festival (not a student film festival) in Burnaby, Canada[13], Winner, Silver Palm Award, 2009 - for "Kosovo: Can You Imagine?" at the Mexico International Film Festival 2009 (not a student film festival), Rosarito, Mexico[14], Official Selection, 2009 - for "Kosovo: Can You Imagine?" at the BridgeFest International Film Festival (not a student film festival), East Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzegovina[15].
    • "also previously wrote articles about himself (Malagurski and others) that were deleted" - whether it's true or not (I don't know), it's irrelevant. The user who wrote Boris Malagurski is User:Bokim, he is active on Serbian Wikipedia - Корисник:Bokim and I see no connection to the User:Bormalagurski you mentioned. Mr. Malagurski's previous activity on Wikipedia is irrelevant to the article. The person who wrote the article is neither banned nor has he ever been blocked.
    • I don't see a reason for the deletion of this article, as several sources have shown the relevance of this person (also including Georgia Straight, Globe and Mail, The Canadian Press, Edmonton Journal, Umbrella and much more) and since when is it against the rules to for him to add a link to the Wikipedia page of himself on his website? If anything, he's promoting Wikipedia... --Cinéma C 01:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The articles you cite are not all about his film-making activity. Serb nationalists hold rally outside U.S. consulate in Montreal only describes him as a student in connection with a Serb nationalist rally he participated in. I'm still not convinced that he is notable, in fact I'm less convinced now. Urban XII (talk) 10:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Actually, Mr. Malagurski is also the founder and president of the Serbian Youth League (the "nationalist rally" statement was referring to the one in Montreal, if you had carefully read the title, while Mr. Malagurski organized a peaceful protest in Vancouver) and I think we should add this information to the article, because he is not only a filmmaker, but an activist as well, interviewed in several media outlets. Whether you are "convinced" or not (and judging by how you're ignoring 90% of my arguments, I'm not sure you're making an effort to see things differently) is irrelevant, because the references speak for themselves. The Vanier College library in Montreal even has one of Mr. Malagurski's films in their library [16] and there are many, many more references, but the ones I already added are more than enough. --Cinéma C 18:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Being briefly mentioned once on the website of an irredentist "Ministry for Kosovo and Metohija of the Republic of Serbia" doesn't indicate notability. He's clearly not notable as a film maker (yet), but he seems to be an avid Serb nationalist activist, especially in connection with the situation in Kosovo, for which he was previously banned from Wikipedia. However, I doubt his nationalist activism merits an own biography in Wikipedia. Urban XII (talk) 12:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Irredentist Ministry? Now I'm quite sure you are acting this way because the person in question is a Serb. You're not the first to accuse Mr. Malagurski of being a nationalist (if you read Croatian and Albanian comments on forums about him, you'll find similar comments) but that's your own opinion and don't use that as an argument on Wikipedia. --Cinéma C 18:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The list of awards may look impressive if you don't look more thoroughly into it. You claim that he won "Silver Palm Award, 2009 - for "Kosovo: Can You Imagine?" at the Mexico International Film Festival 2009 (not a student film festival)". I stated that his films were students film. In fact, he was one of 14 winners in the category "Student Films"[17]. The film festival in question also isn't excactly Cannes. When we have this information, the award looks less impressive. All the other awards are less important than this one, many of them won at very obscure, small festivals (like the ""BC Days Serbian Documentary Film Festival" in Canada, which isn't mentioned anywhere else on the Internet than this article), most of them student awards. This is very far from an Academy Award-winning film director. Just some examples of how the article gives a very false impression that he is a way more important film maker than he actually is - it gave the impression that he was "the winner" of the Silver Palm Award at a festival in Mexico, when he was one of 76 winners of that award and only in the category student films, along with more than a dozen other student film makers. Urban XII (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Wow, you really want this article deleted. What you have said is not true - "like the ""BC Days Serbian Documentary Film Festival" in Canada, which isn't mentioned anywhere else on the Internet than this article", Really? Did you not click on my Georgia Straight link? Here it is again. Please refrain from making false statements. --Cinéma C 18:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • "BC Days Serbian Documentary Film Festival", the name of the festival used in the article, returns exactly one Google result (the Boris Malagurski Wikipedia article). "Serbian Documentary Film Festival" returns 18 Google results. The fact remains that this Serbian documentary film festival in Vancouver is a very obscure festival, and an award by that festival doesn't merit an article here. Urban XII (talk) 19:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Look, you said that this festival has no mention anywhere on the Internet outside of this article and I've proven you wrong (in fact, aside from the Georgia Straight link, I'll throw in another one: [18] - the official Serbian Days website). What would you like now? The Georgia Straight isn't to your liking? Would you like a book or "CNN Presents" story about the festival? Whether you think the Serbian documentary film festival is obscure or not is your own opinion. That does not give you the right to disregard references by known media outlets which are very reliable. --Cinéma C 19:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • This is a plain lie. "BC Days Serbian Documentary Film Festival" isn't mentioned anywhere else on the Internet. And if you misspelled it, and the correct spelling returns 18 Google results instead, it really doesn't make any difference. It's insignificant anyway. Urban XII (talk) 19:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • What are you trying to do here?! You keep typing in "BC Days Serbian Documentary Film Festival" and keep talking about how it's not mentioned anywhere in the Internet. It's a Serbian Documentary Film Festival organized within an event called "BC Days", "BC Days of Serbian Culture" or "BC Serbian Days". To make it shorter, it was written "BC Days Serbian Documentary Film Festival", but the Serbian Documentary Film Festival is mentioned on the Internet, look:
              • Georgia Straight:
                • "New Serbian documentary festival: human rights, athletes, and more" By Craig Takeuchi
                • "The people who brought us the Vancouver Serbian FilmFest are embarking on a new venture that will help to expand upon what their annual film festival has to offer. The new Serbian Documentary Film Festival will present five documentaries about Serbian culture and issues during a one-day event (March 15) at the Serbian Centre (7837 Canada Way, Burnaby). The films will cover a range of topics and will include: Kosovo/Can You Imagine? , an exploration of human rights in Kosovo directed by Vancouver's Boris Malagurski"
              • BCSerbianDays.org - BC Days of Serbian Culture
              • The Voice of Serbia
                • "and was declared the best film of the Documentary Film Festival "BC Days" in Vancouver"
              • Das Biber
                • "weiters wurde er als Best Film bei den BC Days Documentary Film Festival in Vancouver, Canada März 2009"
              • etc etc. So, Urban XII, please stop trolling and POV pushing. Thanks, --Cinéma C 19:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - After reading this debate, it is more than evident that you have a bias toward one particular side. You have labeled someone as vain, and not notable, after throwing away a variety of sources. One of these sources, as mentioned earlier, include the Ministry for Kosovo and Metohija - a branch of the Government of Serbia. It is your point of you that this is an irredentist - your point of view that Serbia aims to seize or annex Kosovo... This point of view of yours is now evident. After viewing your contributions to Wikipedia, your first edits appear to be on the 17th of July. About a month later, you return, and here you are - nominating this article for deletion. Now, it is evident that this particular account has not been active for long, and yet, you have knowledge of a particular user's history on Wikipedia. According to your link, the last activity of that user on Wikipedia was two years ago. Your account is only a little over two months old. You began editing an article on Pope Benedict XVI, and then ended up on Boris Malagurski. Now, it appears that you have prior knowledge of that one particular Wikipedia user's history. Whether you have recreated an account here on Wikipedia is now a question. It is possible that this could even be a "vendetta" for a past reason. Moving on, there are national and international sources citing this filmmaker. The fact that it is also a Canadian film on the subject of Kosovo also has both local and international importance, as this subject does not receive as much attention in Canada. This way, Canadian citizens may be better informed through any point of view, rather than yours - that Serbia is an irredentist nation as you have said, aiming to seize Kosovo. Or, those who are against the independence of Kosovo are now nationalists, including those who do not agree with your point of view. As much as it may pain you, this film did in fact receive recognition - at a Canadian level, and an international level. It is clear that your aim here, on this account of yours at least, (I'm not sure about your other accounts) is to silence a perspective not matching yours, and push one where Serbia is actually an irredentist state. --Bolonium (talk) 18:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Such comments makes it evident to me that the Malagurski guy is using Wikipedia to promote himself, and it's evidently not the first time. Urban XII (talk) 19:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There are no need for deleting. He is awarded, article is full of references, and there is good external links as well. Wiki should be informal about this kind of people. Tadija (talk) 10:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The awards are dubious and way less important than the way they are presented. None of the awards merit a Wikipedia biography, when you check them more closely, they are obscure student awards or just obscure. Boris is an eager self-promoter, but he's not notable here. Urban XII (talk) 11:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I don't see how the article passes the WP:NOTABLE as it is. None of the awards he's received are what I'd call a "notable award or honor", so he doesn't pass ANYBIO, and he doesn't pass any of the points of CREATIVE. Other than links to minor awards he's won, there don't seem to be any other reliable, secondary sources establishing his notability (though one of the Serbian sites may or may not be).--Cúchullain t/c 14:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein  05:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Articles where many of the cited sources for notability are not in English are problematic to vet - Can one of the "defenders" point me to the most substantial (if any) non-English articles so I can translate and review? The English references are a bit weak for establishing notability. That reference in "The Straight" is just one sentence on the guy, and my google news search was not helpful. --Milowent (talk) 05:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Above stumping in mind, he really doesn't seem all that notable. Furthermore, the above bombardment does not help the keep vote. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 06:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:BIO. There are no independent, secondary sources that directly discuss this person in any detail. None are cited in the article, and I can't find any else. Yilloslime TC 07:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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