Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bomb Iran

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep as rewritten. Eluchil404 (talk) 06:10, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bomb Iran

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This article is about a non-notable (as far as I can tell) Alaska parody. The Vince Vance version is notable enough for its own article (as it was one of the group's only two hits, the other being "All I Want For Christmas Is You"), however, this article isn't about the Vince Vance song at all, but an entirely obscure, non-notable song by a different group of artists. It also ludicrously implies that John McCain was referring to the Alaska song during his campaign (he wasn't; not being from Alaska, the only version he was ever likely to have heard would be the Vince Vance recording). Suggest deleting this article and then starting a new article here about the Vince Vance recording. Stonemason89 (talk) 04:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 19:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. —DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 22:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions. —Beeblebrox (talk) 21:44, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand. The Vince Vance version may be marginally more notable, but doesn't merit its own article unless it has at least as many sources as this one does. (Vince Vance didn't chart until 1993; they were pretty obscure in 1980; their "Bomb Iran" song didn't chart, and I don't see any evidence of notability.) It's not even clear to me which band had the idea first; the article itself mentions the existence of a third version, and it seems at least as likely that a dozen other radio djs independently made the same relatively obvious joke. The John McCain claim in the article merits a {{cite}} tag. All of this should be a function of editing the existing article, rather than AFD. There may or may not be the definitive news story out there tracing the origin of the joke that could resolve these questions. THF (talk) 13:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, without taking any position as to whether there should be an article about any of the "Bomb Iran" songs. I agree with Stonemason that John McCain was more likely to have heard the Vince Vance "Bomb Iran" than this one. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I am withdrawing my "delete" recommendation because the article has been rewritten. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:20, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not a notable song. The Vince Vance and the Valiants version was notable, was called a "smash hit" in an Associated Press news article[1] and was what McCain cited: [2]. Edison (talk) 20:40, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve. Maybe marginally notable before the John McCain controversy; but clearly notable afterwards. There is some reliable source coverage of the Alaskan version of the song (cited in the article), but this article does currently place undue weight on it. ~~By the way, while McCain probably didn't hear the Alaskan version, it is not inconceivable that he might have heard about it through Sarah Palin.~~ The CNET cite in the previous comment does not prove McCain was citing the Vince Vance version ("It's not clear whether McCain was thinking of the Vince Vance lyrics"); McCain may have even thought it up himself—in 1979-1980, there are no less than six independently copyrighted versions of "Bomb Iran" (ironically the Vince Vance version appears not to have been registered for copyright until 1995). DHowell (talk) 23:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The McCain incident occurred in early to mid 2007, while McCain himself didn't nominate Palin as his VP until the national convention in 2008 (and, as everyone who followed that campaign remembers, McCain didn't really vet Palin prior to nominating her; thus, it's unlikely he and Palin were in particularly close content more than a year before, in 2007). Stonemason89 (talk) 23:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - You're right, I stand corrected. However, I have improved the article, removing excess content about Tom Rivers and adding a section on the Vince Vance version of the song, as well as other info about various versions of the parody. Please reconsider your nomination and delete arguments given the current state of the article. DHowell (talk) 06:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw nomination per DHowell's rewriting the article. Stonemason89 (talk) 14:58, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.