Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bogdan Janković

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The result was keep. Ad Orientem (talk) 02:14, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bogdan Janković[edit]

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 06:05, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment there is another page for Bojan Janković. Primefac (talk) 20:23, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 21:10, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 21:10, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 21:10, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 01:40, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Actually Bogdan Janković meets the specifics of WP:NHOCKEY, namely, 1. Played one or more games in an existing or defunct top professional league. He played, inter alia, for HK Partizan a professional team in the Serbian Hockey League. The Serbian Hockey League is the top league for ice hockey in Serbia. According to its Wikipedia article (not a reliable source) HK Partizan has won 20 national championships and three cups, and is the most successful ice hockey team in Serbia. In 2010 he played for HK Spartak Subotica a professional team in the Serbian Hockey League. Since 2011 he has played, and coached, for HK Vitez of the Serbian Hockey League. If I have misread the guideline, my apologies; I don't usually work on ice hockey articles, but came across this one while looking for Bogdan Janković (1868-1918) educator and Serbian nationalist. --Bejnar (talk) 02:19, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bejnar: He does not actually meet WP:NHOCKEY; there is a linked list of what is considered a "top professional league" and no serbian league is included.18abruce (talk) 22:51, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I note that the "linked list" is an essay, not a guideline. The "linked list" seems to suffer from systemic bias toward English speaking leagues. Since 2009 Serbia has played in the "big leagues". In fact Bogdan Janković played on the team that moved them from Division II to Division I. I agree that he did not play in the Olympics, nor did he play on the national team after it entered Division I. As best I can determine he has played about 180 professional games in the Serbian League, but I have been unable so far to find recent data. He seems to meet the spirit of WP:NHOCKEY, if not the exact parameters. As to WP:GNG, coverage seems to be about par (or a tad more) for notable, albeit non-superstar, ice hockey players. --Bejnar (talk) 18:03, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not meet NHOCKEY, I tried to find evidence of GNG and was unable.18abruce (talk) 22:51, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@18abruce: Most of the references are in Serbian, hence "Богдан Јанковић" is one appropriate search term. To avoid false drops it can be combined with forms of the word hockey, "Хокеј", "хокејашки", "xокејашка", or the name of one of his teams such as: "Витез", "Спартак" or "Партизан". Once a useful website is found, results can be expanded with Google's site: function. See, for example, this report of a match where he scored three of the seven winning goals (other players scored one each). The two other arguably notable people with the name "Bogdan Janković" are the current playwright/director and the late 19th, early 20th century educator. --Bejnar (talk) 18:03, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did do serbian searches, as I do to find correct spellings of names for when I detail their national team games. Non of the found sources were above routine coverage. Whether or not NHOCKEY is an essay or not, Serbian hockey is nowhere near the "big leagues" in any kind of coverage. His national team coverage is way below consensus to meet NHOCKEY as well. You said, "if I have misread the guideline, my apologies", well I tried to point out that yes, you did misread it---playing in the top league in your own country is irrelevent in NHOCKEY, not mentioned there. The linked list provided is there to help the reader understand what is meant by the different criteria, and changes through consensus.18abruce (talk) 18:17, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947^{^{^{(c) (m)}}} 19:40, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He is listed in eliteprospects database with full bio and other info. link: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=44461 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurohockisupreme (talk • contribs) 12:45, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - plays for the national team, and that's notable enough Jone Rohne Nester (talk) 16:12, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 06:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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