Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blitz (magazine)

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 03:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blitz (magazine)[edit]

Non-notable in-house what's on guide for a student union. Blitz is a weekly what's on guide whose primary role is to report to members of its publisher, a student union called Arc @ UNSW. The magazine has a short history and limits itself to light topics and brief articles. As such it has not made the sort of contribution to the city's cultural life as student newspapers such as Tharunka and Honi Soit. Though the article has recently acquired a couple of third-party footnotes (suspicious in that they are hard copy references but lack page numbers), there seems little that this article could verifiably say that could not be inserted as a paragraph in the Arc article. Indeed, the only contributors to the article so far appear to have been Arc volunteers. (Disclosure: I am neither an Arc volunteer nor a Blitz contributor.) Joestella 09:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. NN student newspaper. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Bduke 12:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I haven't made up my mind as yet, but I'd like to clear up some misleading comments from the nominator. I added some of the references; they are news articles, and so it seems unusual to demand page numbers? Also, Joe knows that I have contributed to the article, and he also knows that I am not an Arc volunteer, which I have made clear on the article talk page. Conveniently though, he forgets to mention his own conflict of interest issues, considering he has been intimately involved with Tharunka in the past. People would want to consider this AFD should keep these points in mind. Recurring dreams 12:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how editing a separate student newspaper three years ago presents a conflict of interest. Blitz and Tharunka do not compete, there is little to no content overlap, and for the record, I neither read nor have any ongoing interest in the latter. Finally, if the references are genuine, just add the page numbers, for the sake of WP:V. Joestella 23:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's reasonable. Perhaps you could have extended the same good faith to the contributors of the article, and not been so ready to throw around accusations of conflict of interest? Also, I accessed the sources through Factiva. I'll have to check if there are page numbers. Recurring dreams 23:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So just to clarify, you're not a Yellow Shirt or other Arc volunteer? Joestella 00:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am usually not even on campus. Recurring dreams 00:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete: While I do think it is important to include student newspapers (I completed this list last month), but if you look at the downloadable copies of the magazine, it's mostly ads and student union event news. Delete and redirect to Arc @ UNSW I think. alexis+kate=? 23:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Cruftmagnet. Look at the list of nicknames in ex-editors section. 125.255.9.231 02:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you elaborate on that comment? Recurring dreams 12:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There are already a number of student publications and magazines on Wikipedia (eg, Tharunka, The Student Leader, Independent Student Magazine). Most of these articles have less in-line references than the Blitz article, and are merely a repository for useless facts about the magazine. If we slate this one for deletion, then I think some consensus should be established on what makes a student newspaper and magazine notable enough for inclusion into Wikipedia. CHANLORD ^[T]/_[C] 09:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment Each article needs to be considered on its own merits. The consensus on any article having its own page is that it meets WP:N. There is nothing to stop this information being included in another page as long as it is verifiable. Assize 03:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ (Merge has already largely happened) The magazine has been running long enough, and is notable. I've added secondary sources. Although it is a "what's on" guide, if you read the magazine on the website, every issue clearly has independant material on a variety of topics. The incident about the joints shows that. Recurring dreams 12:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the nominator's arguments apply to the majority of Australian student magazine articles - they should generally be summarised as a paragraph in the parent article about their respective universities. Euryalus 21:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Insufficient secondary sources to establish notability under WP:N. The article in the Australian is 4 sentences about an article published by the magazine being pulled because its subject was about "rolling a joint". The magazine is rather incidental to the topic of the story. It's not substantial nor non-trivial. Page should be deleted, and any useful information merged into another page. Assize 03:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Recurring's references establish what I said above, that it's a what's-on guide and that it doesn't include serious editorial content (an attempt to include such was rebuffed). Furthermore, the two references are the only ones in the whole of the Australian media in the past 10 years, at least in the Oz, the SMH and the ABC. Joestella 04:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Pending a decision to delete the article, I have merged most of it's content with the Arc @ UNSW article. I suggest that the same should be done for the sister publication of the organisation, Tharunka. CHANLORD ^[T]/_[C] 05:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Arnzy (talk · contribs) 06:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not notable outside a single university. JIP | Talk 10:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per Joe. Twenty Years 10:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete view - lacks the necessary secondary sources to meet WP:N. Bridgeplayer 23:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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