Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blanche of Brittany

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The result was no consensus. Views split roughly equally between keep, merge or delete. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blanche of Brittany[edit]

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This is nothing but a genealogical entry, yet Wikipedia is not a genealogical database. The subject held no position of authority (having never even become a countess) and there is nothing to say about her other than who her parents, husband, children, and siblings were. Surtsicna (talk) 11:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna (talk) 11:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna (talk) 11:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete merely a genealogical filler article. We have a lot of those that need to go, we need to start somewhere.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:06, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She was notable in her day, and once notable, always thusly. Also, she was through her grandchildren Blanche of Namur and Philip III of Navarre the ancestor of many important royals. She was the grandmother of Europe centuries before Queen Victoria. At worst, please redirect to an appropriate article, either her husband or father's. Bearian (talk) 01:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No historian calls her grandmother of Europe or draws any kind of attention to her. She is obscure, and Wikipedia is not a genealogical database. Surtsicna (talk) 01:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 15:36, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 15:36, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - with the exception of the report of the 'vital events of birth, marriage, death and burial, and the list of children, all of the other sentences in the article have someone other than Blanche as their subject. A sentence about her husband's succession, a sentence about her son and daughter, a sentence about her daughter and grandson, etc. Even the listing of children and the naming of her mother in the lede seem partly intent on naming famous connections further removed rather than providing non-genealogical biographical details. The entire article is thus mostly about other people, nothing but the 'filling out' of a genealogical placeholder with peripheral details, rather than actual noteworthy biographical details about the subject. I am not seeing the level of significant coverage about her that would constitute notability. Rather than turning Blanche of Brittany into a redirect, I would prefer deletion and replacement with a disambiguation page that includes her unlinked name with a link to her husband or father, and also Blanche of Navarre, Duchess of Brittany. Agricolae (talk) 17:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The foreign language versions of the same article have more sources that assert a strong claim to notability. This source [1] has a weird story about Blanche getting permission from the pope in setting up a monastery near Paris. She was in frequent contact with the pope, it seems, and that seems to have been well documented. It also seems that she was in charge of the execution of the will of her husband, which died young, and the execution of which was somewhat controversial. After that, she was an advisor (dame d'honneur) to her granddaughter [2], the queen of France. The first source also has links to a significant number of other sources on her, some of which are in old French, and trying to read one of them made my head hurt. There's enough for notability here, despite a lot being lost to time. Acebulf ^{(talk | contribs)} 02:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Maybe a weak keep. As mentioned above there are several sources that indicate notability. However, in the page's current form it might as well get deleted. It has been entirely copied from one of the sources, and there is barely any information about Blanche herself. She is notable enough for an article, as I see it, but it would absolutley need to be rewritten. Kaffe42 (talk) 23:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to her husband, unless the article is expanded to show what she did, apart from bear children. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.