Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill's Arena

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bill's Arena[edit]

A contested Prod. This website about divorce and family law, started by 14 year old Bill Sears, does not appear to meet the criteria for notability for inclusion here . Google [1] and Googlenews [2] searches reveal no reliable sources about the website, though on the talkpage the creator of this article provided this reliable source from a local newspaper [3] as well as a press release, blogs and a youtube mention. The article claims mentions in various reliable sources but of those I can find, the People magazine doesn't mention the website, [4] one is a letter to the editor [5], but another local newspaper Eureka Reporter does mention it [6]. Is this enough? And there is also the complication that much of the article appears to be about Bill Sears and his achievements, rather than the website itself. And finally, judging by the article creator's name, User:Searsmall there is a likely conflict of interest involved, and certainly the editor's other edits have been to include internal and external links to this article and to the website itself multiple times. [7][8][9][10] etc Slp1 (talk) 22:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Alexa rankings for the site are 507,000 and the author's own admission is that the site gets only 500 or so hits a day. The founder may have a claim based on a couple of articles about him rather than the website. That's that's still a bit thin for me but I suppose we will see what happens if this gets deleted and Bill creates a vanity article for himself. Montco (talk) 23:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and consider salting. WP:WEB not satisfied, and I don't see an alternative criteria of notability this passes. I agree with the appearance of COI, and the aggressive spamming of Bill's Arena to other articles is a problem. Townlake (talk) 17:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the articles in the AJC and Cox News Service are verifiable on the web and in print, there is a valid Video of Fox Television coverage on Google Video containing and interview with Bill from the May 25, 2007 appearance on The Fox Morning Show with Mike and Juliet (simply google Bill Sears and it will come up if you don't want to follow the link from his site). 500 per day is counting unique visitors only as the site gets well over 1000 page views per day.

As I mentioned in the Talk Page, there is a small listing of the publicity that Bill and his Website have gotten through a totally grass roots effort. I would be more than happy to fax you copies of the Cox News Service Feature Articles about Bill and his site as well as documentation on other activities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.30.210 (talk) 20:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are encouraged to post information here guiding us to reliable sources attesting to the site's notability. (Note this is different from Bill Sears's notability - this discussion regards an article about a website.) Townlake (talk) 20:55, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, by all means, as my searches to date have found only the AJC letter to the editor and Cox News Service article already listed and linked above. I have now found the Fox Video [11], but the website is only mentioned very, briefly, with most of the video being about the effect of divorce on children, with Bill, his dad and two other experts talking about the subject. Slp1 (talk) 22:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.