Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bigmama Didn't Shop At Woolworth's

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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:18, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bigmama Didn't Shop At Woolworth's[edit]

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After I cleared out the promotional inline references, we're left with one good reference, the rest being to either where to buy the book or mere listings, not seeming to meet notability guidelines. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 23:26, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Not that it's terribly relevant, but one ref was: <ref>Every White person in America should read this book! Sunny Nash writes the story of her childhood without preaching or ranting but she made me realize for the first time just how much skin color changes how one experiences the world. When she was just three years old her grandmother taught her how to read 'colored' and 'white only' because that was a survival skill just as important as 'Don't get in a car with strangers.' The book is remarkable. I was taught, and I teach, that skin color doesn't matter anymore than hair color. But, if your skin color is brown, it matters a great deal to a great number of people. I needed to learn that, Sunny Nash is a great teacher. By Robin ([email protected]) on October 8, 1998</ref>

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Keep, meets WP:GNG and WP:NBOOKS, reviews by Library Journal, School Library Journal, Publishers Weekly, The Western Journal of Black Studies, Los Angeles Times, have added these to the article. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Good references added, including LA Times and lengthy article in Western Journal of Black Studies (published by Washington State University), as well as other less prestigious reviews. Meets WP:GNG and WP:NBOOKS. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The current version of the article, as improved by Coolabahapple and other editors, clearly satisfies both WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 13:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but not so fast... Library Journal, School Library Journal (YA lit), and even to some extent Publishers Weekly are trade publications for librarians. Their reviews are short (51-250 words), largely indiscriminate (they help librarians determine which books to purchase, not just the most important ones), and largely unhelpful for purposes of building an encyclopedia article that does justice to the topic (the general notability guideline). (I have the 1997 print Book Review Index in front of me. It only lists those three trade publications and no other periodicals, indicating a minor release.) This said, the reviews from Mississippi Quarterly, The Western Journal of Black Studies [1], and the Los Angeles Times are together sufficient as a baseline. And if not, we should be looking for a merge target rather than outright deletion. czar 21:09, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, yep pw, lj, and slj are "tradies", but nbook and gng do not specifically preclude trade reviews/journals aimed at libraries/librarians, nor do they preclude reviews from scientific journals on science books, military journals reviewing military history books, art journals reviewing artists and their works, as long as they are independent of the author and not too "niche" they are useable, of course with a review or two from non-trade publications notability with a book like this one is pretty clear. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:33, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No issue with journals in niche fields, but a book trade journal designed to cover books in volume isn't good evidence of a book's notability. That's why the outside, lengthier treatments are needed to actually cover the book in reasonable depth, or there wouldn't be enough content to write an article. I commented not because this specific book's case isn't clear but for the precedent in future discussions. czar 04:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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