Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bernard Jackson (quarterback)

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The result was keep. Keeper | 76 00:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bernard Jackson (quarterback)

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Contested prod. Played bits of two seasons in college, starter for another one, then was out of football. Unremarkable college career, as far as I can tell (no honors or awards that I am aware of). Fails WP:ATHLETE. --Bongwarrior (talk) 01:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails special guidelines for football players. Carrite (talk) 02:03, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It has long been established that the special guideline for football players is inclusionary, not exclusionary. College football players who don't pass the specific guidelines can still pass muster under WP:GNG if there is significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. See WP:ATH: "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (e.g. the general notability guideline ..." Cbl62 (talk) 03:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Weak Delete~~, subject has received multiple mentions in multiple non-primary reliable sources; I am neutral as to whether those multiple mentions sum would add up to significant coverage. That being said the subject does not appear to pass WP:NGRIDIRON, a notability essay specifically about the sport which the subject received the majority of his notability about; therefore deletion appears to be the proper course. As the subject of this AfD has not been nominated or the recipient of any notable awards, he additionally does not pass WP:ANYBIO. If significant coverage, outside of Football, can be found I may be inclined to be neutral or weak keep.
Additionally, I am aware that the subject has received some coverage for a crime, and would fall under WP:PERP; however, the crime event does not appear to be notable.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:51, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Even if they never play in the NFL or receive a major award, college football players can pass muster under WP:GNG if they have received significant coverage in mainstream media sources which is focused on them, as opposed to routine things like passing references in game coverage. In Jackson's case, he has been the subject of dozens of news reports specifically about him, including stories in major metropolitan newspapers like the Denver Post (14th largest newspaper in USA by circulation), Rocky Mountain News, and Los Angeles Times. This is not routine coverage, it's more than enough to pass GNG. There are lots more, but here are a few examples (excluding the many, many articles from the Daily Camera which is the local newspaper in Boulder, where Jackson played) include: (1) Jackson prepared his resume, Denver Post, 11/6/06; (2) Jack of All Trades: Jackson a star without a position at Colorado, The Press-Enterprise (California), August 16, 2007; (3) Ex-coach Watson: QB Jackson will break out, Denver Post, 10/9/06; (4) Santiago's Jackson Commits to Colorado, Los Angeles Times, 10/31/02; (5) Jackson waits his turn at QB, Denver Post, 3/18/07; (6) Jackson: 'I'll take the blame', Denver Post, 10/22/06; (7) CU quarterback follows strong outing with a dud, The Gazette (Colorado Springs), 10/22/06; (8) Jackson's position is perfectly clear, Rocky Mountain News, 12/23/05; (9) Ex-CU Buff Bernard Jackson released from prison, may live with Denver Bronco, Colorado Daily, 12/1/89; (10) QB waits for right signal: Bernard Jackson getting chance to vie for starting job in spring drills, Denver Post, 3/12/06; (11) Missed practices not helping Jackson, Rocky Mountain News, 8/21/07; (12) Jackson looks in mirror, sees QB, Denver Post, 9/29/06, (13) Jackson plays as returner, Denver Post, 9/25/05; (14) CU's Jackson Back To Square One, Rocky Mountain News, 3/31/05; (15) Forecast mostly cloudy for CU's Jackson, Rocky Mountain News, 11/20/06; (16) Corona's Jackson a star without a position at Colorado, The Press-Enterprise, 8/16/07; (17) Fifth-string QB making waves, Denver Post, 8/15/04; (18) Jackson has gone full-circle, Junior quarterback had stints at running back, wide receiver, The Gazette (Colorado Springs), 10/20/06; (19) Ex-Buff Jackson not giving up on football, The Daily Times-Call (Longmont, CO), 3/20/08; (20) Adversity's blitz hasn't sacked Jackson Ineligibility leads to new priorities for former starter, Rocky Mountain News, 10/3/07; (21) Buffs QB Jackson still finding his way, Lincoln Star Journal (NE), 11/23/06; (22) Jackson plies all trades, Waco Tribune-Herald (TX), 10/6/06; (23) Jackson a study in perserverence, waco Tribune-Herald, 10/4/06. Cbl62 (talk) 02:49, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of those sources relate to his career as a Football player. Although, those are significant coverage sources, they subject is still subject to the more limiting notability of WP:NGRIDIRON. NGRIDIRON does not supersede GNG, it coexist with it, and can be said to be a stricter notability guideline for those who are primarily notable in the field of Football, which the subject of this AfD is.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 15:41, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RightCowLeftCoast, WP:NGRIDIRON is not exclusive, and has never been properly interpreted in such a fashion. American professional football players invariably played American college football, too, and many of them are far more notable for their college careers than their pro careers. Please note that we have a separate specific notability guideline for college athletes, WP:NCOLLATH. Furthermore, neither of these specific notability guidelines excludes the use of the general notability guidelines of WP:GNG to establish an athlete's notability, but both specific notability guidelines are widely interpreted as shortcuts to the same end. While there remains considerable controversy whether a specific notability guideline can be more exclusive than GNG (personally, I think it can and should in certain circumstances), that was neither the intent nor the fairly interpreted meaning of WP:NGRIDIRON and WP:NCOLLATH. A quick review of the last 100 AfDs for American college football and pro football players will quickly reveal overwhelming majority support for this position. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was unaware that there was NCOLLATH, thanks for introducing that to me.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:54, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. From a review of Cbl's usual thorough research, the subject clearly satisfies the general notability guidelines with multiple, independent, reliable sources per WP:GNG. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:49, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, notable per WP:NCOLLATH.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:54, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Cbl. – SJ + 03:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, notable per WP:NCOLLATH and gng.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:33, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep widespread coverage clearly passes WP:GNG. A Division I FBS quarterback starter for a number of games usually garners enough coverage to be notable, and this article is such an example.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Cb1. Automatic Strikeout (T • C • AAPT) 14:33, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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