Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bedessa (disambiguation)

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer (talk) 15:09, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bedessa (disambiguation)

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I withdraw my nomination . Update #3. There have been too many modifications to the disambiguation article for this AfD nomination to make any sense at this time. Please close AfD as withdrawn. Platonk (talk) 21:51, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update #2: There is only one article in the disambiguation page; too few per WP:DISAMBIG policy, and not what a disam page is for. Delete. Platonk (talk) 03:32, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Previous: There are only two entries. See WP:DISAMBIG. In this case, this disambiguation page is being used as a bandaid to [attempt to] straighten out what remains as confusions in other articles and redirects. Bedessa (a mispelling) is a redirect that points to Badessa, whereas there is another article with the same spelling Bedessa (Wolaita), a place in the same country but nowhere near the other. Someone should straighten out all those articles and redirects which use the wrongly spelled entry (there are several) rather than relying on a disambiguation page. But either way, this disambiguation page is being for something WP:DISAMBIG never intended it to be used for. Update #1: I cleaned up the mess including fixing the typo in three articles and two templates (transcluded into numerous other articles). I fixed the hatnotes in Badessa and Bedessa (Wolaita), and identified two more redirects now needing deletion, Bedessa & Bedessa (Wolaita) (disambiguation), that were created in misguided attempts to solve this mess. Platonk (talk) 18:13, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. Platonk (talk) 18:13, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I don't why you nominated the article with this poor reason. The article Bedessa or Badessa pronounced in same way. Non of them misspelled. Ethiopians use both a and e interchangeably (you can also look at Addis Abeba and Addis Ababa), that's why the article that created before Bedessa (Wolaita) had used 'Bedessa' as another form of writing. If you had had a look, Badessa or Bedessa is a name for district in Oromia Region, Ethiopia. Whereas, Bedessa (Wolaita) is a town in Wolaita Zone, Southern Region, Ethiopia. There are also many towns in Ethiopia that named Bedessa and but not included in Wikipedia yet. So it is very ambiguous to identity, and following this, this disambiguation page was created. - Yitbe ^A-21 19:53, 4 December 2021 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Yitbe (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

Update: I don't know who removed the article from the disambiguation page, but I restored it back. You can review the history of the page, it's unclear for me who removed the content. Anyways it has been restored. I don't know in which reason you'll come back again. - Yitbe ^A-21 10:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yitbe: It wasn't removed, it was moved down the page with the correct spelling. Disambiguation pages should link to articles only, not to redirects. I have corrected your error and placed a notation about the alternate spelling. Please read and understand Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Platonk (talk) 18:57, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and move Bedessa (Wolaita) to Bedessa. Waddles 🗩 🖉 21:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move. I don't know anything about Ethiopia, but Yitbe appears to be correct. The two towns appear to have the same name, which can be spelt with either a or e (I guess that's the influence of Amharic anglicisation, right?). Badessa for example was at this title only because of a 2014 move (having been at Bedessa before that), and the one source I checked spells it as "Bedesa". Given that the two towns are of comparable size, I can't see any one of them as the primary topic, so the primary titles should be occupied by dab pages: one for the spellings with e ("Bedesa" and "Bedessa"), and a separate one for the spelling with a, because "Badessa" has a range of other, unrelated meanings. That still leaves two open questions: which spelling should be preferred for the title of each article (the Oromo "Baddeeysaa" is also on the table for one of them), and what disambiguator should be used for the Badessa article: the region (Oromia), the zone (West Hararghe), or something else; should it be separated with a comma or with parentheses? (The relevant category reveals all sorts of disambiguators currently in use). – Uanfala (talk) 01:14, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Uanfala: Well said. It is the influence of Amharic. I go with you; it's better to keep the disambiguation page, and rename the articles in the identifiable form like Bedessa (Wolaita) for the town in the Wolaita Zone, SNNPR and Bedessa (Oromia) or Bedessa (West Hararghe) for the town and separate district in the West Hararghe, Oromia Region. So I prefer moving Badessa to the one of the mentioned pages, Bedessa (Oromia) or Bedessa (West Hararghe). - Yitbe ^A-21 07:55, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:53, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update. I've just moved Badessa to Badessa, Oromia. I make no claims about preferred spelling, and the choice of "Oromia" as the disambiguator is because of its simplicity. I've used a comma (rather than parentheses), because that appears to be about 2x as common on Ethiopia-related articles (and that is the default for populated places on Wikipedia: WP:PLACEDAB). I'm not invested in those choices, so I wouldn't object if others decide to move the article to another title. It may be a good idea to have a conversation at WT:ETHIOPIA and come up with some naming conventions. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned with this AfD, what needs to happen after it's closed is just for the page Bedessa (disambiguation) to be moved to Bedessa. – Uanfala (talk) 17:40, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.