Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beautiful Betsy

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The result was merge to Kroombit Tops National Park. j⚛e decker ^talk 23:20, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Beautiful Betsy[edit]

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Disputed PROD. Fails WP:GNG: non-notable crash of a military aircraft. No Wikinotable people involved, no evidence of changes in procedures or policies, no WP:PERSISTENCE. The fact the wreck still exists does not confer notability, and Wikipedia is not a memorial. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is written about in the gladstone observer 2014, by tourism and events QLD, in the NT News (3 Sep 1994), by the local council, in the park's management plan, in The Canberra Times (31 August 1994), in the book "The hidden chapters : untold stories of Australians at war in the Pacific - Robert Piper"....and I'm bored typing. Keep - it is clearly written about sufficiently for an article. - Peripitus (Talk) 05:49, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There seems to be enough reliable sources. The wreckage has become an attraction within the park. If deleted it could become a section within the Kroombit Tops National Park article. - Shiftchange (talk) 12:30, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Kroombit Tops National Park. Just an aircraft wreck. Yes, it's been written about in local media. So what? -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:57, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no notability in the original accident and its just an artifact in a park and not really notable for a stand-alone article. MilborneOne (talk) 18:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Non notable air wreck. -→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 03:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Kroombit Tops National Park - If I'm honest it seems more sensible to merge than to just delete, Clearly no indication of notability to have a standalone article, So I say Merge. -→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 13:43, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Kroombit Tops National Park. Clearly not enough material for a standalone article, but marginally notable within the context of the park. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 07:15, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Kroombit Tops National Park. Not notable enough for an independent article, but local press attention suggests it deserves a short paragraph in the Park article. Moswento ^talky 08:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Kroombit Tops National Park. Untemarkanle as an aviation incident, the notable thing is the wreck site in this park.TheLongTone (talk) 12:43, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep ( or merge, 2nd preference). It's got citations and I thought it was an interesting bit of history. Sure it could be expanded on, but that can't happen if it's deleted. Kerry (talk) 12:25, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citations do not make a topic notable, only verifiable. The WikiProject aircraft long ago decided that individual aircraft and their histories are not notable as such, it is only the wider context that can bring notability. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 12:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

...and very few of those citations are actually for this Beautiful Betsy. Moswento ^talky 13:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Kroombit Tops National Park. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.