Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beanies (video game)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. causa sui (talk) 16:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Beanies (video game)

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Article has no reliable sources independent of the game publisher (GamezArena), and so fails the general notability guideline. I looked, but was unable to find more. It was claimed on the talk page that this game was featured on several high profile websites, but these articles appear to all be down now - I cannot verify one way or the other. MrOllie (talk) 19:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 21:43, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable flash game. The internet is full of them. --Djohns21 (talk) 23:39, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Djohns21, the internet is not "full of this game", and it was even less so when this game was first released, back in 2002. Do a little research before you scream "Delete" -- PaleZoe (talk) 00:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC) — PaleZoe (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Now it's about me as well... Splendid. I have been contributing to Wikipedia for almost two years now, on various topics, which have nothing whatsoever to do with this article. No, I'm not a super-active user, nor do I constantly delete other editor's contributions. My approach is and has always been to create and contribute in a more positive way.

Furthermore, I don't see how my contributions have anything to do with the noteworthiness of this particular game. I am the author, not the content. I suggest you focus on the content in question. That is what this discussion is about.

If you wish to attack me personally, I warmly recommend my talk page. -- PaleZoe (talk) 02:24, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding one the the statements you made on the talk page, if this had unpresidented features for its time and was a major release there should be several reliable sources that have covered it and in that case adding them to the article would be enough to save it.--76.66.186.54 (talk) 03:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear 76.66.186.54, while I will be bringing up Weird Al's references for my reply to you I am not attempting to put GamezArena in the same class. Far from it. I am merely trying to show how easy something big can disappear.

on Monday, August 8th, 2011 - reference number 116 - Billboard

on Monday, August 8th, 2011 - reference number 119 - Grammy Award Winners - retrieved December 14, 2006

These are some rather large events and very well known and reputable sources... gone. Oh yes, you can probably find other sources to replace these but then again these were only around 5 years ago, not 9 as in the Beanies' case, and these companies haven't exchanged hands twice within that time either. And, let's don't forget, GamezArena isn't Weird Al Yankovic either but nonetheless notable. The mention of GamezArena and the Beanies were not televised. They were discovered and mentioned as "the game of the day". It's not a Grammy but it is acknowledgement of achievement. The actual pages do not exist any longer, the date was skipped by the archive robot, but screenshots were saved from during that time. And there are several other references that support the screenshot's validity.

Ryneaux (talk) 05:41, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

also regarding the high profile websites has anyone tried to use archive.org to find these articles. Obviously if these articles can be found that would help the case for keeping the article.--76.66.186.54 (talk) 03:35, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a number of these articles have been added as references. A couple of them couldn't be because they weren't archived on that particular day, so all that exists for those are archived screenshots of those pages, retrieved from the Beanies site. But even without the screenshots, there should now be sufficient reference, after some digging through archive.org. -- PaleZoe (talk) 03:45, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SPA tags in deletion discussions are standard, no offense was meant. I merely wanted to make sure that the closing administrator took into account that most of your edits relate to this game, GamezArena, or other websites published by the game's author. I've taken a look at the new citations, but two of them seem to be PR style blurbs from indiscriminate web directories, and the third may be workable (though it is currently mischaracterized by the article: they say 'Lame "Lemmings" knock-off' while the article says 'nice attention'), but it does not establish notability by itself, especially since it's so short and is mostly about the Lemmings. - MrOllie (talk) 04:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear MrOllie, I would like to start with your reference to "nice attention". Can "nice attention" only mean "pleasant attention"? "I received a nice blow to the head!" Does that mean I received a pleasant blow to the head? Why did you not include all the text and pull out only "nice attention"? Why not quote "The Beanies game received nice attention and was mentioned on such reputable sites and magazines as"? Notability doesn't have to be only positive does it? Regardless of whether or not the author liked the game it was popular enough to be noticed and deemed worthy of mention.

As for the "PR style blurbs from indiscriminate web directories" I do not know which you are referring to. Channel 4? Interneto? Planet Internet? Or are you referring to the some of the references mentioned before the whole "nice attention" thing like the forums or blogs?

Ryneaux (talk) 05:41, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable Flash game and the internet is not full of such games and it has reliable sources. --Ryneaux (talk) 05:41, 9 August 2011 (UTC) — Ryneaux (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment. I don't see sources except channel4 (whose criticism is not even mentioned in the article) that offer any critical commentary on the game. The planetinternet, interneto, and escapegames24 only offer a short generic description of the game. I understand other sources are no longer available, but if their coverage is just like these, then this does not establish notability. I see "NBC's Giga News and AOL News" mentioned as "a lot of recognition", but I can't find either of them anywhere. A single brief source does not establish notability, but I am willing to see if anything else can be found within the week of AfD. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 07:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for now, since no one has been able to produce reliable broad coverage sources or verify the printed sources to be beyond brief generic mentions. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 08:41, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the coverage is very light, not enough to satisfy WP:N for me. No objection to using these sources to verify this game in a broader topic. The section discussion Lemmings clones in Lemmings (video game) would seem appropriate, or a list of Flash games. Marasmusine (talk) 20:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The refs dont indicate notability. Szzuk (talk) 08:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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